Win for Jetblue pilots

[N311HK]

Bunch flying mercenaries and bankers. I'm finding it harder and harder to put the blue uniform.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Bunch flying mercenaries and bankers. I'm finding it harder and harder to put the blue uniform.

Especially the latest version...

 

[N311HK]

Especially the latest version...

That's not a shirt, it's a garbage bag

 

[Blue Dude]

But, assuming the pilots win, and the airbus gets a huge raise, how do we obtain reasonable parity between the E90 and the bus. So the bus gets a huge raise, and then if they try and raise E90 pay to 90% parity, they will just get sued again....

So really, 3A pilots are DEMANDING that E90 pay remain low. Or be sued.

No, there are a number of ways around this problem.

1) The arbitrator finds against the pilots. No harm, no foul, the pay scales don't change. (The pilots have already won the right to bring collective cases before an arbitrator though, so it has already been worth the trouble in my opinion.)

2) The arbitrator says back pay is due, but the pay scales going forward don't change. Dunno how he could arrive at this, but it's a possibility. Same result as 1.

3) The arbitrator orders a new pay scale for 3A people, but JetBlue doesn't change the scale for anyone else. E190 pay and non-participant 320 pay then remains tied to Airbus peer set industry average (PSIA) as it is now and it floats up with the industry. Within a few years PSIA catches up to the 3A pay scale (it's within 10% now) and everyone is back on the same pay scale. I consider this the most likely scenario if the pilots win the arbitration.

4) JetBlue embraces the spirit of the arbitrator's decision and raises all A320 pay to the 2007 3A pay scale. That would decouple the 190 from the 320 and pay only 80-85% of 320 pay. In a few years, PSIA catches up as in scenario 3 and the 190 is recoupled to the 320 at 90%.

5) JetBlue rewrites 3A to match their stated intent, and includes the rewrite with other contract language that makes it too good to refuse, so everyone signs it. This enables future 190 pay scales to catch up without triggering another 3A payout.

6) JetBlue doesn't change year 1 pay for any seat until PSIA catches up, while still keeping year 2+ up to date. This fixes everyone's pay without triggering 3A again.

I'm sure others are out there, but I came up with this right off the top of my head. If you look at the actual language, there's nothing there that locks in a permanent B-scale or underclass and plenty of ways around it. JetBlue's problem was ignoring a number of pilots who asked questions about 3A for years and were systematically and officially ignored. I'm pretty sure they're listening now.

 

[Smarta$$]

OK, that could be acceptable. Thanks for being thoughtful.

 

[Lake Alice]

Smarta$$ keep in mind some of the biggest BoB's/ANTI-ALPA pilots at Jetblue are on the 3A list. Blue Bayou, who lurks and criticizes everything CBA related, is on the list. Plain and simple Jetblue violated our PEA for the nth time but this time around we finally have the means to fight back.

As someone else mentioned you can use the 3A money to pay your legal fees when we are let go 1 year after the acquisition.
http://www.smallcapnetwork.com/JetB...L-LCC/s/via/3420/article/view/p/mid/1/id/798/

 

[curtaindriver]

No, there are a number of ways around this problem.

1) The arbitrator finds against the pilots. No harm, no foul, the pay scales don't change. (The pilots have already won the right to bring collective cases before an arbitrator though, so it has already been worth the trouble in my opinion.)

2) The arbitrator says back pay is due, but the pay scales going forward don't change. Dunno how he could arrive at this, but it's a possibility. Same result as 1.

3) The arbitrator orders a new pay scale for 3A people, but JetBlue doesn't change the scale for anyone else. E190 pay and non-participant 320 pay then remains tied to Airbus peer set industry average (PSIA) as it is now and it floats up with the industry. Within a few years PSIA catches up to the 3A pay scale (it's within 10% now) and everyone is back on the same pay scale. I consider this the most likely scenario if the pilots win the arbitration.

4) JetBlue embraces the spirit of the arbitrator's decision and raises all A320 pay to the 2007 3A pay scale. That would decouple the 190 from the 320 and pay only 80-85% of 320 pay. In a few years, PSIA catches up as in scenario 3 and the 190 is recoupled to the 320 at 90%.

5) JetBlue rewrites 3A to match their stated intent, and includes the rewrite with other contract language that makes it too good to refuse, so everyone signs it. This enables future 190 pay scales to catch up without triggering another 3A payout.

6) JetBlue doesn't change year 1 pay for any seat until PSIA catches up, while still keeping year 2+ up to date. This fixes everyone's pay without triggering 3A again.

I'm sure others are out there, but I came up with this right off the top of my head. If you look at the actual language, there's nothing there that locks in a permanent B-scale or underclass and plenty of ways around it. JetBlue's problem was ignoring a number of pilots who asked questions about 3A for years and were systematically and officially ignored. I'm pretty sure they're listening now.

I envision number 4 to be most likely. I'm on the 190, so back pay only..........but I just want to see us WIN something.

CD

 

[RiddleEagle18]

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[JetFumes]

I envision number 4 to be most likely. I'm on the 190, so back pay only..........but I just want to see us WIN something.

CD

You may be right. I thinks its more like a combo of option 2 and 5, but who knows.

 

[Bluejob]

You may be right. I thinks its more like a combo of option 2 and 5, but who knows.

I do. Today, we won.