Will the Fractional guys ever be a part of Crewpass?

[General Lee]

When and if CREWPASS ever comes to fruition, will the Netjets and other Frac guys be a part of it? That sure would be nice for you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[doh]

I haven't been paying any attention to this. What is it? Will it affect my Platinum status if I use it? Because I do not want to have to wait to board with the airline folk and I want my upgrades and exit row window seats.

 

[Willy21]

I doubt it. We are considered paying customers. It would be nice and it would also save the TSA time and resources. We go through the same background checks and finger printing as the 121 crews do.

 

[ExecJetCA]

I remember hearing that back in 07-08 time frame that our Union and company were working on CASS. If I remember right it was to be the ground floor to get into CrewPass. Once the economy turned south it was probably put on the back burner.

 

[gunfyter]

My understanding is the security training is not compliant with CASS requirements

 

[gutshotdraw]

At the rate they're going, CrewPass will never happen anyway. That's what they call a moot point.

 

[ozpilot]

That's what they call a moot point.

Actually its a Moo point - as in a cows opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ifdqEmlx-I

 

[fischman]

At the rate they're going, CrewPass will never happen anyway. That's what they call a moot point.

Are you sure it's not "mute"? Like a cow with no tongue?

 

[FLYLOW22]

When and if CREWPASS ever comes to fruition, will the Netjets and other Frac guys be a part of it? That sure would be nice for you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I don't personally see the need to push for it.

I like it fine waiting for my turn... Longer wait times equal more duty. More duty equals more pay.

Plus, as a top tier customer on 3 airlines, I usually slide through the express lane anyway... Which is the same used by crew.

No worries here!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

I remember hearing that back in 07-08 time frame that our Union and company were working on CASS. If I remember right it was to be the ground floor to get into CrewPass. Once the economy turned south it was probably put on the back burner.

Part of the 10 yr plan... Ha!!!

 

[jonjuan]

I don't personally see the need to push for it.

I like it fine waiting for my turn... Longer wait times equal more duty. More duty equals more pay.

But what if it saved your company money by having it?

 

[fischman]

But what if it saved your company money by having it?

Like how? Deadheading? I haven't had to do that for 6 years now, but my understanding is that the airlines have cut back so much that getting on a flight you want is sometimes difficult to impossible.

I couldn't imagine inconveniencing an owner because I couldn't get a seat on an airline. I'll take my confirmed seat with an upgrade to first class so I make it on the flight and not have to worry about upsetting a multimillion dollar contract.

 

[Jim]

But what if it saved your company money by having it?

Are you talking CASS or CREWPASS?

If by this you mean jumpseating (CASS) instead of your company buying you a ticket to reposition, then you are breaking the rules.

At my airline, the jumpseat coordinator would get jumpseat privileges revoked for any company that used the jumpseat for company business travel. Further, jumpseat coordinators typically talk to each other and other airlines would quickly find out - making it difficult for any of your pilots who try to jumpseat legitimately.

 

[jonjuan]

Like how? Deadheading? I haven't had to do that for 6 years now, but my understanding is that the airlines have cut back so much that getting on a flight you want is sometimes difficult to impossible.

I couldn't imagine inconveniencing an owner because I couldn't get a seat on an airline. I'll take my confirmed seat with an upgrade to first class so I make it on the flight and not have to worry about upsetting a multimillion dollar contract.

No-he mentioned that he would rather take his time in the pax security line than going thru the crewpass line because doing so would make his day longer and thereby pay more (not sure I understand that one, however).

 

[FLYLOW22]

But what if it saved your company money by having it?

Mine is not to reason why. Mine is merely but to fly.

My input wasn't asked for anyway. (Sigh) Maybe on the new round of CEO change outs.

 

[OPECJet]

But what if it saved your company money by having it?

The only savings to the company I could see are reducing duty times (in some cases a considerable amount) by having the crew lines available. It could make a 1 hr show at all airports possible if crewpass were actually implemented.

Jim, CASS is a requirement of crewpass, which is why the union was pursuing it. There is no intention for NJA pilots to attempt to use airline jumpseats rather than buying tickets. I highly doubt the company would try it, and if they did, there are enough of us ex-airline guys around to put an abrupt end to it.

 

[glasspilot]

I highly doubt the company would try it, and if they did, there are enough of us ex-airline guys around to put an abrupt end to it.

That goes for all the fracs. It would never happen. I have thought of one possible use. Our chief pilots are based at HQ but can live anywhere. Commuting to HQ for work from home would be a legit use of a jumpseat.

Other than that it wouldn't work for moving crews to planes.

 

[Jim]

Sorry glasspilot, I worked at Avantair once upon a time. I won't put it pass S.S. from trying.

 

[glasspilot]

I wouldn't blame any business manager from thinking it would be a great way to save cash.

But S.S. never flew for an airline and may not know. Avantair does have ex-Airline guys (myself included) and that would never be allowed. I think that's what I said above when I agreed with the further above post that said exactly that.

 

[fischman]

I wouldn't blame any business manager from thinking it would be a great way to save cash.

But S.S. never flew for an airline and may not know. Avantair does have ex-Airline guys (myself included) and that would never be allowed. I think that's what I said above when I agreed with the further above post that said exactly that.

I'm not convinced it would save cash. Getting bumped off a flight and delaying an owner trip can be VERY expensive.

 

[glasspilot]

I'm not convinced it would save cash. Getting bumped off a flight and delaying an owner trip can be VERY expensive.

Well THAT'S a good point. You know some bean counter would do the math and want to try.

Moot point though cause every frac has airline backgrounded pilots that should and would quickly point out it can't be done.

I still think is would be worth it to each frac to get jumpseat access for it's pilots because:

A. It would be a moral boost, and

B. There are some pilots on the list it would help. My example of a Chief Pilot going to work comes to mind. Those are all tickets that could be saved by just having them commute on the jumpseat. That seams like a justified use of the jumpseat.

 

[mejorgy]

Well THAT'S a good point. You know some bean counter would do the math and want to try.

Moot point though cause every frac has airline backgrounded pilots that should and would quickly point out it can't be done.

I still think is would be worth it to each frac to get jumpseat access for it's pilots because:

A. It would be a moral boost, and

B. There are some pilots on the list it would help. My example of a Chief Pilot going to work comes to mind. Those are all tickets that could be saved by just having them commute on the jumpseat. That seams like a justified use of the jumpseat.

This is a legitimate question: In pursuit of a morale booster as well as allowing fractional chief pilots the ability to commute to work, what are the advantages afforded to a 121 CASS participant? Would that mean I would have access to Net Jets schedule this allowing me and my colleagues the ability to walk across a GA ramp and jump seat on a Gulfstream?
Please accept this from a guy who commutes to and from work and is purely offering my opinion....................CHEERS

 

[gunfyter]

Even NJ pilots can't ride on Netjets uke:

 

[glasspilot]

Well that would have to change. For the benefit offered to frac companies I would think many wouldn't mind offering a ride to offline pilots.

It's a ride only. They don't get free amenities or booze or whatever. Just the ride.

If you're on the ramp and a, let's say JetBlue, pilot comes up and askes where you're going and you respond with where he is going why not take him. I know it's against the company rules, but I'm saying, besides that why not? What if it wasn't against company rules?

Take it a step further and have a central place that lists various frac dead legs. Companies could try to sell them first but if they can't then have them listed on some web site that the 121 guys could check. If there is a match then head on over and get your ride...in style.

Look, Fed Ex and UPS have jumpseats even though they are really hard to utilise. I think it could be done. Just have to think outside the box. Win win if it did ever happen.

 

[mejorgy]

Well that would have to change. For the benefit offered to frac companies I would think many wouldn't mind offering a ride to offline pilots.

It's a ride only. They don't get free amenities or booze or whatever. Just the ride.

If you're on the ramp and a, let's say JetBlue, pilot comes up and askes where you're going and you respond with where he is going why not take him. I know it's against the company rules, but I'm saying, besides that why not? What if it wasn't against company rules?

Take it a step further and have a central place that lists various frac dead legs. Companies could try to sell them first but if they can't then have them listed on some web site that the 121 guys could check. If there is a match then head on over and get your ride...in style.

Look, Fed Ex and UPS have jumpseats even though they are really hard to utilise. I think it could be done. Just have to think outside the box. Win win if it did ever happen.

Agreed: Thinking outside of the box is something this entire industry could and should utilize. My previous response is purely my own self servitutde speaking aloud! Personally, (although I am a lowly FO) I would be happy to oblige any professional pilot who is attempting to get home or get to work regardless if they are 91, 135 or 121.

 

[be99fr8dog]

At my airline, the jumpseat coordinator would get jumpseat privileges revoked for any company that used the jumpseat for company business travel. Further, jumpseat coordinators typically talk to each other and other airlines would quickly find out - making it difficult for any of your pilots who try to jumpseat legitimately.

You must not work for USAir. NJ had a pilot jumpseat for "company business" from DCA to TPA. Get this!!! in the COCKPIT jumpseat, as a non-CASS crewmember.

I wonder if the TSA and HS found out about it.

Amazing stuff going on out there.

 

[Helmsalee]

This whole jumpseat thing is moot. Even 121 pilots with legitimate jumpseat access cannot use it for business purposes. That's one of the quickest ways to lose your jumpseat privileges. And, for example, if United needs to move a pilot from A to B they can't send him on somebody's jumpseat. They gotta buy a ticket.

As someone above stated, the only reason NJ (or any other frac) would apply to get it's pilots into CASS is that it is a requirement for CREWPASS. This would allow quicker security screening which might allow a pilot to get on an earlier flight or have a later show time at the start of a day. Over time, this could save the company some scratch.

Helm