Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[Richard Gozinya]

Call your SWAPA Rep and have them explain it to you

Gup is my rep, he speaks for me!

 

[kwick]

Ty,

I've found my happy place too since there isn't a darn thing I can do about it. Welcome back!

Without debating SLI's with you can I ask you a serious, honest question?

If Airtran bought Virgin America what would you consider "fair and equitable?"

I'm not trying to box you in, I"m just curious what your thoughts are?

Gup

Date of Hire, with fences to protect seat position and domicile.

I don't think it's fair to steal someone else's seat position
because of a merger or acquisition.

 

[GuppyWN]

How big of a fence? 1 year? 5 years? 15 years?

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

Logically speaking, the list will likely be merged via a straight-up staple, as it should be. An arbitrator will likely realize that if a straight-up staple were voted on, it would pass by a large margin.

Stapling the AirTran pilots is the fairest thing in the world for everybody. Only a few hundred AT captains will be disappointed, as opposed to thousands disappointed that could literally destroy the company.

Staple AT and be done with it and continue to grow a great airline!

 

[Lear70]

Logically speaking, the list will likely be merged via a straight-up staple, as it should be. An arbitrator will likely realize that if a straight-up staple were voted on, it would pass by a large margin.

Stapling the AirTran pilots is the fairest thing in the world for everybody. Only a few hundred AT captains will be disappointed, as opposed to thousands disappointed that could literally destroy the company.

Staple AT and be done with it and continue to grow a great airline!

See, now THAT'S what straight-up flame bait looks like...

At least I got a good laugh out of it.

Next...

 

[Bob Dylan]

See, now THAT'S what straight-up flame bait looks like...

At least I got a good laugh out of it.

Next...

This from an AirTran captain I bet.

Face it, your company was bought! How you think you should be senior to any SWA pilot is beyond arrogant.

Everybody except you AT captains would be thrilled with a staple to SWA. I think you even admitted that at one time, right. Talk about being a hypocrite.

A staple would pass a vote easily and the arbitrator will recognize that.

 

[doh]

Bobbie, if you want to make a bet, I'm in for $1,000 that says you don't get a straight up staple!

 

[Lear70]

This from an AirTran captain I bet.

Face it, your company was bought! How you think you should be senior to any SWA pilot is beyond arrogant.

Everybody except you AT captains would be thrilled with a staple to SWA. I think you even admitted that at one time, right. Talk about being a hypocrite.

A staple would pass a vote easily and the arbitrator will recognize that.

Arrogance? Really? Pot, meet kettle.

As far as the staple... Keep dreaming, my friend... keep dreaming...

 

[ivauir]

I'm not "bitterly attacking" anyone, even if they are operating way outside of the realm of likely outcomes, as the previous poster was. A poster, btw, who has just joined flightinfo and this was his first post (hmmm- what a coincidence).

Whatever gets you through the night.

I don't think there is anything to be gained here. All of your points have long since been refuted, some by people much more objective than you or I.

Ty,

Again, this is exactly what I am talking about. This is typical of your style and it really rubs me raw. You are not an authority on B/M or AGM. You haven't "long since refuted" ANY of these points. All you have done is post your opinion as fact. No, strike that, the only thing I read from you is name calling diatribes where you make juvenile attempt at positioning. This isn't anything like DAL/NW and you know it. Career expectations is a HUGE part of these proceedings and these pilot groups are worlds apart. You know that too, but you pretend that you don't.

It all amounts to a transparent attempt at positioning which serves no purpose except to make your future coworkers angry.

I hope your team has better knowledge and balance then you exhibit here or this is going to get ugly.


Welcome to the party. Play nice.

 

[En Mort Main]

I think the SWA guys/gals on here are not understanding the way arbitration works. The AT guys are trying to explain it but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
The arbitrator is not going to look at what the pilot groups recieve from the third party (i.e. Company) That does not matter when it comes to senority. I have a feeling that this explanation will fall on deaf ears but it is worth trying again.
Seniority will be decided on where are you now and where can you expect to be at retirement. Pay, holidays, QOL issues will not be factored into the formulation of this list.
I understand how SWA pilots feel this is unfair towards them....but it is not. The SWA pilots are not losing anything by SWA (the company) paying other pilots (AT) pilots the same pay as they now recieve. SWA pilots do not lose anything but having SWA (The Company) extend current negotiated work rules to AT.
SO all these claims that AT are collecting a "Windfall" at the Exspence of SWA pilots is nonsense. After the sli no one is going to come up to a SWA pilot and demand anything from them.
Now if SWA got what it wants and stapled AT, SWA PILOTS mostly FO's will recieve a WINDFALL in a true sense. They will be recieveing CA slots at the exspense of current AT CA's.. After the SLI was awarded someone WOULD come and demand the AT CA to return to being an FO.

I know from the rhetoric already exspoused on this thread that SWA pilots will glaze over this explanation and still demand concessions from the AT pilots unjustly believing that himself the swa pilot gave the AT pilots all this money and QOL issues, when in fact the SWA pilots are not giving anything to the AT pilots. SWA the company is who is giving the pay and benefits.

So the belief that AT pilots are recieveing a windfall at the exspense of the SWA pilot group is nonsense.
If the voices on this board are a representation of what the pilot groups truly believe why even waste the time of having a nagotiating commitee and go straight to arbitration?

EN MORT MAIN

p.s. I personally believe if AT pilots allow anything besides relative seniority they will be sailing themselves short.