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Will PSA Be Sold?? Air Whisky??

LoveGun

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Rumors of the sale of PSA are running rampant. I suppose posts like this won't help.

Here's what I heard from a good source: certain top possitions in the training department have been vacated and they haven't been filled, and aren't going to be filled. After ramping up our training department for potential new hires this fall all of a sudden we are scaling down the training department.

Here's what I heard from a less good source: The PSA VP of ops has been interviewing at other companies.

Here's what I heard from a bad source: Air Whiskey management has been telling its pilots that Air Whiskey is buying PSA.

Granted, the last two items are purely rumors, but when you put them together it looks like PSA might be sold. I don't mean to be a rumor monger, but what has everyone else heard.
 

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Hello,
We hadn't heard that here at PSA, and I know that they have just hired more ground instructors. Also, know that they are still interviewing for classes. All of this is obviously WAY above my paygrade. However, I think that more will be clear after the merger deal between AWA/US is finalized.
 

328dude

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It would make sense with all the changes that PSA has implemented to mirror Air Whiskeys operation.
 

LoveGun

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Thanks Kaman. I work at PSA a also. Heard the above rumors from various PSA folks.
 

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Wow, this is a rumor that seems to be comming from your neck of the woods. Here at AWAC, I haven't read ANYTHING from the company saying we are interested in buying or merging with another airline. The only time I've heard of this rumor isn't from our crew room or instructors or anything of the like, it's from reading rumors from PSA guys on this board.

Two points:
1. We hear rumors all the time about flying that we're trying to get. Like being the next Northwest Airlink. These things have been around for years and they never come true.

2. When something does happen, like the Airtran flying or this deal with USAirways, NOBODY talks about it before hand. We never heard Airtran or USAirways flying rumors before an announcemnt was made.

How many airplanes and pilots do you guys have?

What has changed at PSA to 'mirror' the way AWAC does their operations?

S.
 

328dude

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Beechnut said:
Wow, this is a rumor that seems to be comming from your neck of the woods. Here at AWAC, I haven't read ANYTHING from the company saying we are interested in buying or merging with another airline. The only time I've heard of this rumor isn't from our crew room or instructors or anything of the like, it's from reading rumors from PSA guys on this board.

Two points:
1. We hear rumors all the time about flying that we're trying to get. Like being the next Northwest Airlink. These things have been around for years and they never come true.

2. When something does happen, like the Airtran flying or this deal with USAirways, NOBODY talks about it before hand. We never heard Airtran or USAirways flying rumors before an announcemnt was made.

How many airplanes and pilots do you guys have?

What has changed at PSA to 'mirror' the way AWAC does their operations?

S.


I think we have like 35 CRJ-200's and maybe 14 CRJ-701's. Last senority list had like 500+ pilots here.

Things are about to change to match how you do your operation in regards to Weight and Balance via ACARS, what triggers the ACARS, (we are going to the same system as you) and a few other things in the training department.

Personally, I'm not sure this would be a bad thing for the two groups.

Time will tell my friend.

Like you said, guess we'll have to wait for the big announcement. ;)
 

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Are you guys changing profiles or calls in the airplane? What do you mean by a few changes in the training dept?

Wouldn't that be something... merging the two groups. Sheesh... I can hear the fights now. I know D.O.H. isn't used when merging to ALPA carriers... but out of curiosity, what would someone be doing if they were hired March of 2001?

Wanna start one? I'll go first, just to get things off on the right foot:

Staple.

Your turn!

(toung in cheek. good luck to you guys.)
S.
 

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Man I hope this isn't true. I start with Air Wisconsin on monday, and I'll be the last guy on the 800+ list. If this were to happen I'd be the last guy on a 1300+ list :(.

In the interview, they mentioned bidding on 900 or 190 flying for US Air but this never came up, which doesn't mean anything I guess.

~wheelsup

EDIT: Where is PSA Chief pilot?? He might know more if/why the training dept. is slowing down, and have a reasonable explination for it...
 
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I thought we were sold to MESA? What ever happened to that one? And when is TYS closing? Been hearing that one for ages!
 

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Things are about to change to match how you do your operation in regards to Weight and Balance via ACARS, what triggers the ACARS, (we are going to the same system as you) and a few other things in the training department.


Was told that the AWAC way of doing W&B, and a few other things are supposed to become the standard way of doing things at most or all USAirways Express carriers. Told that by a union negotiating committe guy. Not sure AWACs way is any better, on anything. This could explain why some procedures and other things are changing. Just what I heard!
 

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Well I don't know about any rumors of a sale but as we all know U is hard up for $$$ (hey, management has to get their bonus or severance packages any way they can) and with the MDA guys tossing a big wrench into that deal maybe U is shopping out PSA or PDT again. I wouldn't doubt that earlier this year they tried to sell PDT or PSA before MDA but couldn't find any takers. Maybe just round 2, maybe not, what do I know, i just a broke down commuter pilot.
 

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I'm here

wheelsup said:
Man I hope this isn't true. I start with Air Wisconsin on monday, and I'll be the last guy on the 800+ list. If this were to happen I'd be the last guy on a 1300+ list :(.

In the interview, they mentioned bidding on 900 or 190 flying for US Air but this never came up, which doesn't mean anything I guess.

~wheelsup

EDIT: Where is PSA Chief pilot?? He might know more if/why the training dept. is slowing down, and have a reasonable explination for it...


I am here, just laughing, Besides, If "PSA IS STAPLED TO THE BOTTOM OF AWAC'S SENIORITY" as previously stated, you'd immediately have 550 guys below you. That should not happen either. We have been for sale or sold for the last 10 years I've been here. The training department is being trimmed of fat as well as everything else to look good on the balance sheet of the merger, if it's to be sold, I am not aware of it. Training classes were supposed to slow down but that has changed. We were having problems getting Sim time but supposedly got more outside of our sim.

Someone previously had asked for a seniority list and an Awac guy laughed it off. Maybe they should have sent it to them so my guys may realize how senior the pilot group really is there. I'm sure the AVRO guys have been around a while. If they were to merge, I'm sure that each pilot group would want what was best for it's members. If it was DOH (date of Hire) it would be the first one in ALPA history, at least recent history. For the guy with the March 2001 hire date you Should have upgraded here recently. I would only hope that we could all be professionals in all these discussions, Hypothetical or not!

Let All the other Companies fight about these things for now, We are all along for the ride and even with my hand in management, We have no control over our futures, besides, IT IS THE AVIATION INDUSTRY, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW.

PSACPSP
 

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PSACheifPilots,

Please don't get to worked up about the staple comment. Nobody wants to staple anybody. He was definitely kidding with that comment. This stuff has a way of snowballing and before you know we are gonna be acting like little kids.

FOR THE RECORD: Nobody at AWAC is suggesting we staple ANYBODY.

Seniority stuff. We got about 100 guys that have been here for more than 15 years. Other than that, AWAC started hiring back in 97 I think and the bulk of the company, probably 500 guys have hire dates starting around the first part of 2000.
 

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Yeah the staple was a joke.

So if we merge... are you going to be my Chief Pilot? If so... then I'll just tell you about this now: I'm feeling sick and I'm going to need December of 2006 off.



Thank you for your understanding in this matter during my time of anguish.



S.
 

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Beechnut said:
Yeah the staple was a joke.

So if we merge... are you going to be my Chief Pilot? If so... then I'll just tell you about this now: I'm feeling sick and I'm going to need December of 2006 off.



Thank you for your understanding in this matter during my time of anguish.



S.

hehehe, He's my chief pilot right now and i cant even get a day off. Better luck to you.
 

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I can assure Chiefpilot if this merger becomes reality, the AirWisco Alpa bretheren will decend upon their overzealous newfound partners with the ferocity of Delta Force commandos. Seniority rules and there'll be no playing nice-nice. You will be assimilated fairly, so just relax and sit on your hands.
 

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CP, go take a look at the ALG / PDT merger, and you will see a straight DOH integration. In recent history.
 

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OPECJet said:
CP, go take a look at the ALG / PDT merger, and you will see a straight DOH integration. In recent history.

Sorry, I haven't seen it, I have a few friends at PDT but haven't really dicussed it, I wanted to go to work there but they would hire me at the time because my sister was an FO...Thanks for setting some kind of precedent, I can only imagine what will happen with U and AWA!

I STAND CORRECTED!

PSACPSP
 

PSAChiefPilots

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Beechnut said:
Yeah the staple was a joke.

So if we merge... are you going to be my Chief Pilot? If so... then I'll just tell you about this now: I'm feeling sick and I'm going to need December of 2006 off.



Thank you for your understanding in this matter during my time of anguish.



S.

I know it was a joke... Some of us do have a sense of humor!
 

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Bluestreaker said:
hehehe, He's my chief pilot right now and i cant even get a day off. Better luck to you.


IT's called a PED, Use it! I don't think I've ever denied one...Know your contract!

PSACPSP
 
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