Will Israel hit Iran???

[prozac]

We should let Israel deal with Iran while we work N. Korea. No way we could fight both wars at once, much less win, which is what's coming if we aren't careful. I don't blame Europe for being pacifists considering it's history, but thank god we have at least one ally who isn't afraid to blow sh-t up when appropriate.

 

[Draginass]

The trouble is the psychopaths that pass for the government theocracy in Iran would have no problem sacrificing millions of their own citizens by initiating a nuclear exchange for the chance of destroying as many Jews as they could. At least the nutcase in North Korea is a fat decadent slob and would want to preserve his lavish palaces and whores.

 

[Weasel Keeper]

Interesting also with the raid on Osirik...

Ilan Ramon, 48, was an air force colonel and the son of a Holocaust survivor. His military career included the bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

He was Israel's first astronaut, who perished on the Space Shuttle Columbia in 2003.

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled topic.

 

[AIR2MUD]

Raid on the Iraqi Reactor

(June 7, 1981)

Iraq built the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad with French assistance.

Big f#@king surprise there. The Frogs are probably talking tough in public, and building the Iranians nuke reactor on the down low.

I think we should just do what Dos Gringos sings about in 'World War III', and be done with it.

Fight's on, fight's on!

 

[HawkerF/O]

No way. Israel would be fools to attack Iran on their own without US support, and there is no way the US would go along with Israel doing that. Remember the gulf war when Iraq was firing Scuds into Israel? Not 1 Israel fighter took to the skies because the US would not give them the IFF codes. If Israel attacked ANY Muslim country it would torch the reforms the US is trying to put into place in Iraq and destablize the entire region. Israel has bombed a place here and a target here, but never really doing much damage to get upset about. If they launched a full assault, the entire mislim world would go nuts. Lets not forget how much the Muslims hate jews. They have no greater hate than the hate they have for the people of Israel.
Also, where do you think Israel gets financial and Military support? From the US. Nobody else likes them and wont sell them weapons or anything like that. If the US walked away from Israel, they would be destroyed in less than a week. The Muslims would keep coming and coming and coming and not give up until they have accomplished their desired goal. If Israel wants to cut their own throats, they'll head for Iran with hostile intentions.
One final note: This situation is the fault of the US and England. After WWII, because of the things the Germans did to the Jews and the world standing by and letting it go on, which was no doubt disgusting, but it's what happened. The US and England controlled the UN at that time and thought they would kick the Palastine people off the land they were squatting on and give it to the jews. As history has taught us, that was not a good idea. The UN should have given the Jews 1/2 of Germany. After what the Germans did, they deserved AT LEAST that. But instead, teh UN causes this enormous amount of trouble by kicking poor squatters off land that they had been using for a long long time. There was a better way to handle that, and the US and England controlled UN missed a great chance to avoid all of this. There is no real winner or loser, just death. Where is the honor in that?

 

[stonewall]

We should let Israel deal with Iran while we work N. Korea. No way we could fight both wars at once, much less win, which is what's coming if we aren't careful. I don't blame Europe for being pacifists considering it's history, but thank god we have at least one ally who isn't afraid to blow sh-t up when appropriate.

I disagree. We're not fighting in Iraq to destroy the country. Some of my buds on FI have been debating with me on another thread about Sherman's March to the Sea. If we chose to fight two wars at once and fought them strictly as wars of destruction, I think we could win 'em both.

If pushed into a corner and fighting to major wars at once, I think it'd be wise of us to say "screw it, we're not buying into the whole 'you-break-it-you-buy-it-Marshall Plan-type-bulls***" this time around. We're laying waste to your countries without regard to CDE or who gets hurt. We target any and all military targets, including those being stored or cammo'd by civilian assets, and just crush all.

If we fought it like that, which I think we would out of necessity (world opinion be dam*ed), I think we could win 'em both. Even non-nuke.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Big f#@king surprise there. The Frogs are probably talking tough in public, and building the Iranians nuke reactor on the down low.

I think we should just do what Dos Gringos sings about in 'World War III', and be done with it.

Fight's on, fight's on!

Here we go, fire away. but...

Umm I think we (like the French) were giving lots of assistance to the Iraqis back then too.

Attacking Iran really isn't in our own best interest. A full scale war with Iran, regime change/occupation would come at a ginormous cost and give us very little security benefit as a result. Look at the cost/benefit ratio. Even a small surgical strike aimed at crippling their program is not a great idea.

Sanctions/Inspections/embargoes and diplomacy, although the language of those girly "pot smoking tree hugging" liberals in the state department, seem like the smartest road to take.

Iran has threatened that if attacked by western powers, it will launch missile strikes against oil fields/infrastructure in Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Oil prices would at least triple or quadruple overnight.

Now would they do it if Israel attacked unilaterally? Who knows. But for now and the foreseeable future, our best interest is served through tough diplomacy.

An Osirak like strike (according to some stuff I've read) isn't thought to be possible anyhow as the Iranians have learned from other's mistakes. Their program is well hidden and dispersed.

Anyway, just some thoughts. And no if you're wondering I'm not a conscientious objector. And I hope my comments won't be beamed via al jazeera to osamas in caves and give them hope.

 

[stonewall]

No way. Israel would be fools to attack Iran on their own without US support, and there is no way the US would go along with Israel doing that. Remember the gulf war when Iraq was firing Scuds into Israel? Not 1 Israel fighter took to the skies because the US would not give them the IFF codes. If Israel attacked ANY Muslim country it would torch the reforms the US is trying to put into place in Iraq and destablize the entire region. Israel has bombed a place here and a target here, but never really doing much damage to get upset about. If they launched a full assault, the entire mislim world would go nuts. Lets not forget how much the Muslims hate jews. They have no greater hate than the hate they have for the people of Israel.
Also, where do you think Israel gets financial and Military support? From the US. Nobody else likes them and wont sell them weapons or anything like that. If the US walked away from Israel, they would be destroyed in less than a week. The Muslims would keep coming and coming and coming and not give up until they have accomplished their desired goal. If Israel wants to cut their own throats, they'll head for Iran with hostile intentions.
One final note: This situation is the fault of the US and England. After WWII, because of the things the Germans did to the Jews and the world standing by and letting it go on, which was no doubt disgusting, but it's what happened. The US and England controlled the UN at that time and thought they would kick the Palastine people off the land they were squatting on and give it to the jews. As history has taught us, that was not a good idea. The UN should have given the Jews 1/2 of Germany. After what the Germans did, they deserved AT LEAST that. But instead, teh UN causes this enormous amount of trouble by kicking poor squatters off land that they had been using for a long long time. There was a better way to handle that, and the US and England controlled UN missed a great chance to avoid all of this. There is no real winner or loser, just death. Where is the honor in that?

Amateur. Israel not whaling on Iraq in the Gulf War had nothing to do with some all important and mysterious "IFF codes," regardless of what you may have seen on Discovery. It doesn't take IFF codes to launch SSMs or air strikes at will. Israel had no problem (with our equipment, as you rightly point out) waylaying all in 67 and 73. 07 would be no different. Israel could be militarily self-sufficient now, even if we took our cash and left 'em on their own. You may not completely respect the IDF, but don't overestimate Arab capabilities.

Further, you seem to have a lack of understanding about how Israel came to be. "The Jews" didn't just pick the fictional country of Palestine out of thin air to settle in. It was their ancestral home for thousands of years. And besides, how Israel was established is a moot point. Currently, Israel is the ONLY fuctional democracy in the Middle East RIGHT NOW, and one of the few SWA countries that doesn't practice terrorism as national policy.

Surely if you had to pick sides, you'd pick Israel over Iran?

 

[stonewall]

Dude, I just read your post a little more closely. It's riddled with inaccuracies. "Bombed a place here and there, but not much to get upset about?" How about the IDF practically destroying the entire Egyptian AF (on the ground!) in about 2 hours and then pretty much rolling up Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq in the next 6 days? The Yom Kippur War? How 'bout the Sinai and the Golan heights...got 'em, thanks. I think that all qualifies as a full assault.

And nobody else may like 'em, but they surely have a lot of customers for military hardware. India and China are great customers. And another? Turkey. To the tune of almost $1B in arms sales last year. Last time I was there, Turkey was a Muslim country.

 

[stonewall]

Here we go, fire away. but...

Umm I think we (like the French) were giving lots of assistance to the Iraqis back then too.

Attacking Iran really isn't in our own best interest. A full scale war with Iran, regime change/occupation would come at a ginormous cost and give us very little security benefit as a result. Look at the cost/benefit ratio. Even a small surgical strike aimed at crippling their program is not a great idea.

Sanctions/Inspections/embargoes and diplomacy, although the language of those girly "pot smoking tree hugging" liberals in the state department, seem like the smartest road to take.

Iran has threatened that if attacked by western powers, it will launch missile strikes against oil fields/infrastructure in Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Oil prices would at least triple or quadruple overnight.

Now would they do it if Israel attacked unilaterally? Who knows. But for now and the foreseeable future, our best interest is served through tough diplomacy.

An Osirak like strike (according to some stuff I've read) isn't thought to be possible anyhow as the Iranians have learned from other's mistakes. Their program is well hidden and dispersed.

Anyway, just some thoughts. And no if you're wondering I'm not a conscientious objector. And I hope my comments won't be beamed via al jazeera to osamas in caves and give them hope.

Wow, defensive, huh? I agree with you that attacking Iran is not in our best interests. However, unlike you, I don't think Americans fighting in Iraq are creating insurgents hand over fist. I'm sure your initial reaction to all the "innocents" killed in the recent Predator raid in Pakistan was similar to your earlier reaction about the errant bomb in Iraq. But, I don't want to dig up old threads....

How's that C.O. application coming? Still reading the BBC religiously?