Will Israel hit Iran???

[BushwickBill]

Ok, a few talking points here.

1. During the 6 Day War, Israel nearly tripled the size of their country. That was shortly after Israel was created.

2. Since the 6 Day War, Israel's weapons have only become more sophisticated and advanced. They do have a larger defence industry than any other country at this time.

3. Everyone in the middle east (except iran), remembers the 6 Day War, recognizes their defense industry and knows that if they screw with Israel, they are only screwing themselves.

4. Israel DOES have nukes. Iran MIGHT have nukes. Even if iran did, Israel's are far more advanced in the guidance and warhead.

5. Israel is becoming recognized as a country by some of the arab countries in the middle east. Turkey is a customer and Egypt is an Ally. If Iran falls, most of the middle east will become pro Israel or at least neutral enough to recognize them as a country.

Ok, that's all for now.

Not just TWA but all of you guys need to brush up on your middle eastern military history. Please read: The Yom Kippur War by Abraham Rabinovich. I'd say about 90% of the things mentioned on this thread about the Israeli military have been historically inaccurate.

Its a great read and a lot of the lessons learned by the Israeli's during the Yom Kippur war have shaped modern day "sandbox" warfare. I'd hope you would all be up to speed on this stuff. Not a flame just a heads up.

Bill

 

[SIG600]

Wouldn't be hard...I've fought Tomcats once, back in 99. I think he's still turning....

Ba-zing....

 

[That Guy]

Oh, you're one of those types of idiots. What exactly do you think it is that is causing insurgents to be created hand over fist? The fact that they are no longer repressed by Saddam? Oh yeah, that would bug me too!!

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[Gorilla]

Wouldn't be hard...I've fought Tomcats once, back in 99. I think he's still turning....

LOL, nothing like having swing wings telegraph your energy visually from 10 miles away. Of course, during the debrief, you were dead pre-merge because his ultra-agile Phoenix missile nailed you during your 9G defensive beam maneuvering.

 

[stonewall]

LOL, nothing like having swing wings telegraph your energy visually from 10 miles away. Of course, during the debrief, you were dead pre-merge because his ultra-agile Phoenix missile nailed you during your 9G defensive beam maneuvering.

It's funny you mention the phoenix. When I talk to the uninformed, they're usually shocked that the AIM-154 isn't a death-ray like missile. You gotta hand it to the Navy...the PR campaign for all things Tomcat was effective. And, hey, it did its job well in the day, and that missile was designed to kill bombers not fighters. I love all my fighter ancestors from the USN....all in good fun!

 

[phantomdriver]

I hope that israel hits iran and nukes them. I need some glass at a cheap price. I need to replace a windshield for my truck.

 

[Boxav8r]

Sort-of on topic. Raid On The Sun chronicles Israel's operation to take out Iraq's nuke program. Unbelievable story! From the daring mission, tight unit cohesion, to the General who weaseled his way into a seat in the mission.

The Israelis didn't @$&% around either. There were plenty of dead bodies laying around long before the first jet was ever flown in training for the mission. Mossad was incredibly effective in the preparation.

It reads like a real life James Bond novel. They actually flew right over the Jordanian King's yacht enroute to drop the bombs and STILL surprised 'em!

Well worth the read. Very hard to put down.

 

[jetbluedog]

I hope they use them!!

U.S. plans to sell 'bunker busting' bombs to Israel

In-Depth Coverage
By Andrea Stone
17 Feb 2006
WASHINGTON — In a move that could increase pressure on Iran to halt its nuclear arms program, the Pentagon says it will sell to Israel 100 "bunker busting" bombs designed to destroy deep underground weapons facilities.
It is a $30 billion deal. The move coincides with diplomatic talks between Tehran and negotiators from Britain, France and Germany, who want Iran to agree to halt its effort to develop nuclear weapons. The talks have made little progress so far.
Israel has sought the GBU-28 bombs, first used during the 1991 Gulf War, for at least seven years. It would be the first U.S. ally allowed to buy them, says John Pike of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense research group in Alexandria, Va.
"We're saying that if the Israelis were to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, we would support them because we have given them the means to do so," he says. "It's communicating to the (Europeans) and other countries the seriousness with which we view this situation and that if diplomacy does not succeed we are prepared to pursue diplomacy by other means."
The Pentagon said in a statement that the sale would "contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in the Middle East."
Israeli Embassy spokesman David Siegel said the bombs are "one component in a basket of measures Israel is acquiring to improve its defensive capabilities in various scenarios."
In addition to Iran, Israel is concerned about Syria, which may have SCUD missiles. Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was in Israel this week, has agreed to sell short-range missiles to Syria.

 

[Gorilla]

Prety weird, the Israelis are good at making their own weapons, and the "bunker busters" are nothing more than an oddly-shaped bomb, designed to penetrate, manufactured of super-hardened steel, and equipped with a delay fuze. There's nothing cosmic there, and nothing the Israelis couldn't copy with ease.

 

[XShipRider]

It's a simple matter...

Thats exactly what I am thinking. I'm just curious how they could pull it off without US cooperation since they have to fly over Iraq. Of course, we probably would have no problem with them doing that, but I'm also thinking that we would "look surprised" when it happens if ya know what I mean...

You repo' the E-2s and E-3s to the Southern regions of Iraq for a couple
days. The carrier group and supporting defenders have radar CASREPs and
anomalies on the day in question. The Air Force, Marines and Navy flyers
have a safety stand-down essentially gounding most or all aircraft for a day.

I can hear the chatter in combat now...
"Hey, you see that?"
"Yeah, flock of migrating birds."
"Birds? They're migrating East. You still think they're birds?"
"Listen, they're migrating birds. Keep watching and you'll see them
migrating back West in a couple hours. If anyone asks, you saw
migrating birds."

 

[AdlerDriver]

Prety weird, the Israelis are good at making their own weapons, and the "bunker busters" are nothing more than an oddly-shaped bomb, designed to penetrate, manufactured of super-hardened steel, and equipped with a delay fuze. There's nothing cosmic there, and nothing the Israelis couldn't copy with ease.

You're right it’s not cosmic. They do, however, tend to gravitate toward defensive weapons development for obvious reasons.

I would guess what going on here is simply a short time table for a reaction to the threat (too short to develop their own) and a desire to avoid re-inventing the wheel.

 

[jetflyer]

U.S. plans to sell 'bunker busting' bombs to Israel
In-Depth Coverage
By Andrea Stone
17 Feb 2006
Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was in Israel this week, has agreed to sell short-range missiles to Syria.

Remember Bush: "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists." Well Russia has been a friend of Iran and is giving Syria short-range missles! Russia is with the terrorists!

Below is article about China and Iran's new oil alliance. China is with the terrorists!

I just hope we don't have to fight everyone one day that is with the terrorists.

Here is the article about China and Iran:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021702146.html

Here is an article about Venezuela saying they may cut off oil exports to the United States! Venezuela and Hugo Chavez are terrorists We'll have to go secure their oil like Iran's and Iraq's soon too. Citgo is Venezuelan owned and Venezuela provides the U.S. over 1.5 million barrels of oil a DAY!
I guess all the CITGO STATIONS in th U.S. would be out of gas???
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1628936,00020008.htm

Exxon and Shell are having trouble in Nigeria which is the U.S.'s 5th largest supplier, and oil workers are being killed. Armed militants carried out a wave of attacks across Nigeria's troubled Niger delta on Saturday, blowing up oil and gas pipelines and seizing nine foreign oil workers. The U.S. gets a ton of their oil from Nigeria. We'll have to go secure Nigeria's oil soon too!
Here is an article about the problems in Nigeria:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/3669866.html

The energy security of the U.S. is becoming more and more fragile every day. It used to only compose of the U.S. having 5 carrier battle groups permanently stationed outside the Persian gulf. Now we're having to secure Iraq's oil, prevent Iran from creating nukes and shutting of the Straight of Hormuz, and stop Venezuela and Hugo Chavez from cutting us off from their oil.

Energy Security is going to only get harder after peak oil which will happen around 2010 too. Fun times are upon us.

Jet

 

[Boxav8r]

Energy Markets getting Tighter...

If you can't beat 'em - Join 'em. Recently moved a substantial portion of my investments to the Oil & Gas Sector... The returns are very nice. Don't see the price of oil going down any time soon. So I figure why not get a "rebate" on what I pay at the pump. Just a thought.

 

[jetflyer]

BoxAv8r,

I have investments in several energy mutual funds but also in PRECIOUS METALS(GOLD) mutual funds.

Gold isn't a bad investment, especially with:
--Global Oil Production PEAK nearing around 2010
--the mounting government debts
--the negative savings rate in America
--the housing bubble close to popping
--The insane trade imbalance which worsens yearly with the increase in oil prices.
--The coming inflation
--the baby boomers beginning to retire and the severe deficits in medicare and social security
--the inverted yield curve

I'm sure there are twenty other reasons why Gold is a good investment right now.

Gold is up to about $550 per ounce now but it was at $440 when I bought a lot of gold mutual funds in May last year when I learned of peak oil. The mutual funds usually go up even more than owning the hard metals because the profits for the gold mining companies go up so much more than just the price of the metal.

Protect yourself financially!
Jet

 

[Annie]

Does anybody remember?

Whenever I begin to believe that Israel cares about the US in some deep little brother way, I go to these websites:

www. ussliberty.org


http://www.rense.com/general47/betey.htm

I am always amazed, dumbfounded if you will, when I hear the liberals demand peaceful solutions, and then in the next breath praise the Mossad for their courage and and their skilled methods of stalking the world to take out the bad guys. Geez Louise which is it you guys?