Will flexjet pilots kill off whats left of the fractinal profession?

[ghostrider64]

Sadly you'll be fighting one another for a while, then the light will go off. While integration certainly wasn't perfect at NJA, the NJI folks have received protections that they wouldn't normally have had. Unfortunately some there still hold on to the past, as if it would never have changed, but that's clearly a fantasy belief.

The current management has shown their true colors, and no group is exempt from their cost savings and metrix driven approach. In fact the EMT has been so bold to have published their goals, and told the union to take it or leave it.

The union at NJA has in fact protected both groups extremely well. Despite some on both sides declaring the opposite. But at least we are well on our way to fixing the soup sandwich, unlike other groups who don't understand you're wasting precious time.

You should unionize now, and get the ball rolling. Integration to be negotiated. But waiting on guarantees? That's unrealistic, and in fact impossible. You have to be a represented group to negotiate that. NJI was lucky that NJASAP negotiated with RTS a fence, prior to NJI being an organized group.

 

[The Architect]

Fences

For those at Flex hired post 2001, the dedicated crew is a better option than integrating via DOH. If I have a choice between dedicated crew (small paycut) or downgrade to an FO (huge paycut) can you do the math and guess how I will vote?

Flight Options pilots better reach out with a guarantee that the integration will be by percentage of seniority or else we all will be working in groups of 5. The ball is in your court...there's still enough of us to kill representation for us all.

There would not be any pay reduction with a vote for union representation, but ultimately there would be a merger and seniority integration. There would not be any downgrades. Fences and the Flight Options CBA cover that:

"Seniority integration procedures shall be promptly initiated following announcement of an operational merger affecting the seniority of the pilot groups. The Company or other Successor, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated seniority list. There shall be no system flush or removal of Pilots from their positions as a result of seniority list integration."

Well, some protections for the Flexjet pilot group will be immediately in place as soon as they vote for IBT representation. If they so choose.

And acutally, the "ball in in the Flexjet pilots court." The Flight Options pilots can go a very long time without a vote. Because only the IBT can ask for one. However, the Flexjet pilots will see change after change without representation. The longer it goes without a vote for representation the more that things can change. The Flexjet pilots have the ball and can cause all of these things to happen either sooner, later or never.

Also, not sure why DOH integration is at the forefront. The pilots, through each of their pilot group representative would determine what is "fair and equitable." It can be one method or a combination of methods.

 

[shanes123]

Seniority means nothing under KRs merit based system. It won't matter how the groups are intergrated it will be free reign to do whatever they want whenever they want. Just like a simple email that says goodbye 401k match

 

[CL300Pilot]

Because there are over 70 captains who were hired 2001 and on. Essentially, 1/3 of our captain group was hired post 2001. For what it is worth.

Also, not sure why DOH integration is at the forefront. The pilots, through each of their pilot group representative would determine what is "fair and equitable." It can be one method or a combination of methods.

 

[Frac Cap]

If XO jet or TMC gets added to our list, are you still going to favor percentage, or would you all want date of hire since both started around or after 2005. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Will flight options kill off what's remaining of the fractional industry by accepting the dedicated crew airplanes that the Flexjet pilots decided were not in our best favor? The title of this thread is ridiculous.

 

[luckydog]

It's amazing, a dirt bag charter operator abuses it crews so badly they finally do something and vote in the IBT suddenly making them the star of the hour. Meanwhile FJ, who is currently the second in pay and benefits in the fractional industry, is killing the profession? Let's use some common sense before posting

Please just let this thread die.

 

[Dingo221]

If XO jet or TMC gets added to our list, are you still going to favor percentage, or would you all want date of hire since both started around or after 2005. Be careful what you wish for.

Very good point Frac Cap

 

[el raton]

If XO jet or TMC gets added to our list, are you still going to favor percentage, or would you all want date of hire since both started around or after 2005. Be careful what you wish for.

Would XO be in favor of DOH? I doubt it...please tell me how percentage is unfair?

 

[dime line]

Would XO be in favor of DOH? I doubt it...please tell me how percentage is unfair?

Well in Riccis world, Riccis idea of percentage placement is different form Joe Q Pilots idea of percentage placement. It was done with a little "Ricci flair" on it after the Raytheon merge.