Will flexjet pilots kill off whats left of the fractinal profession?

[Club ORD FO]

Will flight options kill off what's remaining of the fractional industry by accepting the dedicated crew airplanes that the Flexjet pilots decided were not in our best favor? The title of this thread is ridiculous.

 

[luckydog]

It's amazing, a dirt bag charter operator abuses it crews so badly they finally do something and vote in the IBT suddenly making them the star of the hour. Meanwhile FJ, who is currently the second in pay and benefits in the fractional industry, is killing the profession? Let's use some common sense before posting

Please just let this thread die.

 

[Dingo221]

If XO jet or TMC gets added to our list, are you still going to favor percentage, or would you all want date of hire since both started around or after 2005. Be careful what you wish for.

Very good point Frac Cap

 

[el raton]

If XO jet or TMC gets added to our list, are you still going to favor percentage, or would you all want date of hire since both started around or after 2005. Be careful what you wish for.

Would XO be in favor of DOH? I doubt it...please tell me how percentage is unfair?

 

[dime line]

Would XO be in favor of DOH? I doubt it...please tell me how percentage is unfair?

Well in Riccis world, Riccis idea of percentage placement is different form Joe Q Pilots idea of percentage placement. It was done with a little "Ricci flair" on it after the Raytheon merge.

 

[el raton]

Well in Riccis world, Riccis idea of percentage placement is different form Joe Q Pilots idea of percentage placement. It was done with a little "Ricci flair" on it after the Raytheon merge.

Explain the "flair"?

 

[shanes123]

Basically he does it the way he wants and names it whatever he thinks the pilots want to hear. Example: we will call it percentage placement if it makes you guys happy..And then does it his way. Bottom line as important as seniority is not everyone is going to be happy in a merge. There has never been one merge of a seniority list where everyone was happy and never will be. But there are a lot of other important issues that need to be addressed and you want the pilot group making those decisions not management. I personally wish we never had to merge the list but that's not realistic.

 

[dime line]

Explain the "flair"?

A lot of Riccis Boys are more senior than they are suppose to be.

(Understand (to the RTA pilots) I'm not trying to open up what happened 10 years ago, I'm just showing what happened back then.)

 

[X-rated]

Well in Riccis world, Riccis idea of percentage placement is different form Joe Q Pilots idea of percentage placement. It was done with a little "Ricci flair" on it after the Raytheon merge.

That might very well be true, but you didn't answer the question. It seems some would feel entitled to a virtual staple as a result of straight DOH. Good thing your boss lives in a fantasy land and got told to piss off.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Your right the title should have read are flex pilots going to let one man ruin what's left of the fractional profession? Think about this. You watch what RICCI does to the hard working men and women at options who have been here since the inception of the fractional industry. He is strangling the life out of these hard working professionals and has kept 95% of the pilot group under 100k a year for a decade and a half, with no retirement. Wait till he points those barrels at you. Could have done without the argument from an fo who thinks flex is the greatest place ever and no longer runs up and down the terminals eating hot dogs and can buy more video games.
Do not dismiss our experience with RICCI so quickly. You have already began the slow game of chip away of your pay and qol at flex. An extra leg a day, a little lower screwing ratio, an increase in duty time, a few vacation days here, threaten of loss of retirement match.
We will not see a reinstatement of the 401k match at options. I do like the angle the union is advocating, by shaming RICCI and bringing public attention to the matter. The fact is RICCI has already rationalized it away as a suave business transaction to be bargained back for in trade for something else; I.E. lower pay. As the majors see large gains in salaries and retirement contributions, the man that owns you now would very much like to see your salaries and retirement plummet.
So now begs the question. Are you telling us it is going to be different with you guys this time around? You are going to keep him at bay without a union? That would be quite impressive

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Explain the "flair"?

You need to stop at the pharmacy first.

 

[Traderd]

Explain the "flair"?

Found it;

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/79/79aa4e40bea96024462d26ef3343e9849d4923d0f680f3d25e2e62b0dba02f52.jpg

Are those the new threads some guys are complaining about?

 

[dime line]

That might very well be true, but you didn't answer the question. It seems some would feel entitled to a virtual staple as a result of straight DOH. Good thing your boss lives in a fantasy land and got told to piss off.

Your very right, there are those that would want a pure staple of the FLEX sn list. But I think that most of us want a fair integration. I think we are a more mature pilot group, most of us on property have been here for more than 11 years, and even more RTA guys are still here, those pilots were on the receiving end of Riccis idea of an integration.

 

[Frac Cap]

el raton, I assume you were not seriously asking the question if XO or TMC would be in favor of date of hire. Just in case you weren't sure what they would want, I would say every single one of them would want percentage. In that system, a guy that was hired in 2005, could conceivably go to the front of both of our lists and be in front of guys with ten years more seniority then him.

I don't want to open up this can of worms at this point. I just wanted to give food for thought.

 

[el raton]

el raton, I assume you were not seriously asking the question if XO or TMC would be in favor of date of hire. Just in case you weren't sure what they would want, I would say every single one of them would want percentage. In that system, a guy that was hired in 2005, could conceivably go to the front of both of our lists and be in front of guys with ten years more seniority then him.

I don't want to open up this can of worms at this point. I just wanted to give food for thought.

So should a pilot with 14 years of service at Options stay ahead of a Flex pilot with ten?

Percentage isn't fair but it's at best a 'break even' settlement between the two groups who are forced to live with each other. I was specifically addressing Options and Flex integrating, but if I'm in favor of percentage for us, why would I not be in favor of it with XO?

Unlike options pilots I don't favor a staple job. Doh would be just that except for maybe ~30 pilots at flex. It will affect who gets furloughed, upgraded, downgraded, moved to different fleets...it would screw a larger portion of pilots at flex. Option pilots have to share the pain as well.