Will flexjet pilots kill off whats left of the fractinal profession?

[jetwash]

Option pilots have to share the pain as well.

We have been living the pain for years

 

[Frac Cap]

I am not going to get pulled into a selfish self-serving debate as to what puts me ahead of my fellow pilot based on which system of integration we use. If you actually looked at the real numbers in regards to at what point flex starts loosing ground from date of hire as to percentage, you wouldn't make a grossly false statement as to only 30 of your guys would benefit from a system based on date of hire.

Putting my cards on the table, I actually would benefit in a percentage system instead of a DOH system. I only wanted to bring to light that if you are short sighted now and only look at what put you in the best position on this merger, you may not like what you are going to get if you set a precedence with percentage and more mergers happen in the future.

I will no longer debate this subject because it will only serve to divide us at this point and time and we need to come together.

 

[slowtation capt]

Unlike options pilots I don't favor a staple job.

If you are hearing from Options pilots for a staple job then you are talking to the few. Everybody wants fair and equitable, the biggest concern is that nobody from either company loses, nobody wants a repeat of the Options/RTA.

 

[el raton]

If you are hearing from Options pilots for a staple job then you are talking to the few. Everybody wants fair and equitable, the biggest concern is that nobody from either company loses, nobody wants a repeat of the Options/RTA.

DOH is basically a staple job.

 

[slowtation capt]

DOH is basically a staple job.

Really, I didn't know that, u r kidding, right?

 

[el raton]

Really, I didn't know that, u r kidding, right?

Nope. Most FO pilots were hired before a majority of Flex pilots. Flex pilots are going to take it in the shorts when we integrate.

 

[doh]

Nope. Most FO pilots were hired before a majority of Flex pilots. Flex pilots are going to take it in the shorts when we integrate.

That was always going to be the case.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So in the end is it going to be the pilots with the help of the IBT or will it be Uncle that decides the integration? We had pilot "advisory" committees in the past that had absolutely no input. I don't want a repeat. Do you?

 

[slowtation capt]

Really, I didn't know that, u r kidding, right?

Nope. Most FO pilots were hired before a majority of Flex pilots. Flex pilots are going to take it in the shorts when we integrate.

Right over your head, u didn't get my post at all.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Nope. Most FO pilots were hired before a majority of Flex pilots. Flex pilots are going to take it in the shorts when we integrate.

Even though the Flex pilots are not members of the 1108, the negotiating committee is trying to protect them in the fence agreement.

 

[el raton]

Even though the Flex pilots are not members of the 1108, the negotiating committee is trying to protect them in the fence agreement.

i keep hearing about fences, and that's great, but are the fences permanent? How could they be?

If there's furloughs, will they be by DOH regardless of fences? Probably not it screws the Flex pilots.

There will be new aircraft...who will crew them?

Certain fleets are going away...will the fences protect those captains from moving to the options side as first officers?

What about our first officers, will they have to wait till every Options pilot has upgraded before they get their chance?

I keep hearing that "fences are for our protection" but its load of sh!t you're trying to sell us. The fences will expire at some point and time and most of us at flex will find ourselves at the bottom of some sh!tty seniority list bitter about being lied to by Options pilots and KR.


GC, I don't want to sound like an a$$ hole to you but I see us (Flex pilots) taking the brunt of the screwing form the teamsters and KR..so I'm a little pissed.

 

[el raton]

Right over your head, u didn't get my post at all.

Go ******************** yourself!

 

[slowtation capt]

i keep hearing about fences, and that's great, but are the fences permanent? How could they be?

If there's furloughs, will they be by DOH regardless of fences? Probably not it screws the Flex pilots.

There will be new aircraft...who will crew them?

Certain fleets are going away...will the fences protect those captains from moving to the options side as first officers?

What about our first officers, will they have to wait till every Options pilot has upgraded before they get their chance?

I keep hearing that "fences are for our protection" but its load of sh!t you're trying to sell us. The fences will expire at some point and time and most of us at flex will find ourselves at the bottom of some sh!tty seniority list bitter about being lied to by Options pilots and KR.


GC, I don't want to sound like an a$$ hole to you but I see us (Flex pilots) taking the brunt of the screwing form the teamsters and KR..so I'm a little pissed.

You ask these questions as if we have the answers for you. The people that know are not saying anything about it. Did Deanna not talk about it on Yammer before she disappeared to some remote island. These are the people that know, not us here on FI. Just like any negotiation, until it is agreed to among the parties involved and negotiating, only after that do the minions find out the full details.

Ask it on Yammer, call KR, call the union leadership. But seriously any answer on here about what is being negotiated, you are not going to get any worthwhile answer.

Go ******************** yourself!

My my, testy!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

El, All I can tell you is without the union ,you have ZERO input. Do I like the teamsters? Not really, but when it comes down to my future, I stand up for what I believe is right. If you can't stand for a unified pilot group, stand to the side because you will get run over.

 

[FR8DOG777]

It's amazing, a dirt bag charter operator abuses it crews so badly they finally do something and vote in the IBT suddenly making them the star of the hour. Meanwhile FJ, who is currently the second in pay and benefits in the fractional industry, is killing the profession? Let's use some common sense before posting

Please just let this thread die.

Can someone please explain to this person there are only two fractionals left? We are not going to have a meeting of the minds here because you sir with all your experience are the smartest guy on this forum. Big dog, your string of luck ran out September 05,2013. You will ALWAYS be second highest paid fractional pilot. Your pay and benefits will go down, but you can retain that title.