Will DAL/NW Merge? Yay or Nay?

[737 Pylt]

Its funny. The DAL mec hasn't said anything publicly......Yet the loudmouth NWA MEC has already made 2 statements to the press. Its kinda like that little kid in the playground who just got his ass beat in a fight and is throwing that tantrum!
Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Its funny. The DAL mec hasn't said anything publicly......Yet the loudmouth NWA MEC has already made 2 statements to the press. Its kinda like that little kid in the playground who just got his ass beat in a fight and is throwing that tantrum!
Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

And people say I'm angry. Throwing the NWA mec under the bus now? Lighten up...you're going to throw gear for these NW guys. You should try to get along with them.

 

[Noserider76]

Heyas Propdog,

The fact that the NWA team would rather take arbitration over the current "table offer" deal speaks volumes.

Personally, let this thing die.

Nu

PS Keep Delta their Delta

Can you fill us in on what you know about the table positions and what you would call a "fair" integration? In specifics if possible.

I agree about letting it die. It sounds like it's well on it's way.

 

[Schwanker]

Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

Let's hope they don't show up at all. NWA pilots would be much better off without this deal.

 

[737 Pylt]

Let's hope they don't show up at all. NWA pilots would be much better off without this deal.

I agree, who needs an aging shrinking fleet of outdated narrow body airplanes!

737

 

[737 Pylt]

And people say I'm angry.

No, people say you're stupid!:laugh:

Throwing the NWA mec under the bus now? Lighten up...

They threw themselves under the bus with their rediculous demands!

you're going to throw gear for these NW guys. You should try to get along with them.

Maybe, but at least it won't be at mesa with the likes of you!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Ahhhhhhhh.......Looks like we got trouble in paradise. And just think, the General said this was going to be seamless.

 

[clippyrip]

NWAs retirements are more than offset by the attrition your fleet faces in the next few years...even with the 787s coming in.

Wrong and double wrong.

So what you are trying to say is that NWA is going to have fleet reductions equal to about 2500 pilot retirements and that things will remain relatively stagnant over the next ten years.

HA HA HA. I need hip waders for how deep it is getting around here.

Let's try and get along...we'll be flying with each other in a while.

 

[lowecur]

I agree about letting it die. It sounds like it's well on it's way.

Yes, let's just let it die! Let's just wait for a few years to see how things shake out. :laugh:

Did you see the Lufthansa profit for 2007.....$2.5B, yes Billion (on half the pax of WN)! Just how the hell are DL and NWA going to compete with numerous super carriers like this around the globe? You people are living in lala land if you think DL (yes, they will have to spend at least $10B for fleet renewal) is going to be able to make a buck against these carriers that have bank accounts that resemble bottomless pits.

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[michael707767]

Wrong and double wrong.

So what you are trying to say is that NWA is going to have fleet reductions equal to about 2500 pilot retirements and that things will remain relatively stagnant over the next ten years. .

No, I am trying to say when you balance the attrition of both pilots and aircraft with aircraft deliveries, your advancement for the next 5-10 years is not that different than what a Delta pilot can expect.

 

[Noserider76]

Did you see the Lufthansa profit for 2007.....$2.5B, yes Billion (on half the pax of WN)! Just how the hell are DL and NWA going to compete with numerous super carriers like this around the globe?

I'm not sure how this merger would change that. The problem is we get most of our revenue in dollars which today aren't worth squat. $100 oil isn't so bad if your currency is say, the Euro. I guess more international revenue would help now but we're all working in that direction anyway. Eventually the cycle will turn and the US domestic market will be the cash cow again.

 

[Schwanker]

No, I am trying to say when you balance the attrition of both pilots and aircraft, your advancement for the next 5-10 years is not that different than what a Delta pilot can expect.

Really?? Do you care to elaborate on our fleet plan? Don't forget to let us know how the scope clause plays into this attrition. Apparently we all need a lesson as the contract (scope clause) clearly says something different than the "facts" you're about to present.

Schwanker

 

[clippyrip]

No, I am trying to say when you balance the attrition of both pilots and aircraft with aircraft deliveries, your advancement for the next 5-10 years is not that different than what a Delta pilot can expect.

I don't know if that assessment is correct but I like the way you phrased it the second time.

Lets all get along....we'll be sharing a flight deck soon.

 

[DTW320]

I agree, who needs an aging shrinking fleet of outdated narrow body airplanes!

737

Ummmm....Delta Airlines apparently. I mean, who approached who and wanted to merge? (never mind that your comment has no basis in fact, as has been shown here over and over in the face of a general lack of ability to comprehend by the average DL pilot posting here.)

 

[clippyrip]

Schwanker,

I've noticed that you have gotten more and more angry at this merger as the days go by. With a total of 5000 on the flight time and a DC9 as the aircraft, I don't think you have much to lose with a merger. Us guys at the bottom are at the bottom no matter which list it is. I for one like the idea that if we merge, there will be a lot more options for our career as time passes. I live in Alaska and currently none of the Delta bases interest me but maybe in 20 years when my bones start to creek, the sun may feel good on these old bones. It might just be the same for you. Keep your head up, it aint all that bad.

 

[737 Pylt]

Ummmm....Delta Airlines apparently. I mean, who approached who and wanted to merge? (never mind that your comment has no basis in fact, as has been shown here over and over in the face of a general lack of ability to comprehend by the average DL pilot posting here.)

Or the arrogance and sense of entitlement by the average NWA pilot!

737

 

[General Lee]

Ummmm....Delta Airlines apparently. I mean, who approached who and wanted to merge? (never mind that your comment has no basis in fact, as has been shown here over and over in the face of a general lack of ability to comprehend by the average DL pilot posting here.)

Today Anderson stated we could go it alone and do just fine, and Steenland stated consolidation is "inevitable." Sounds like Steenland really wants a merger, and to retire. He may not get either, which could be bad for you, twice.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ExAF]

Smarty?

Two quick things there smarty, just because he flew for NWA(he was Blue Book if you caught that) does not make him an expert on Red Book vs Green Book. Secondly, we've already discussed the SLI a few threads earlier. But I am sure you we're getting to that next. :laugh:

Don't get pissed "smarty." It wasn't a slam at you, but, it WAS funny. Yea...I caught the fact that he was blue book as am I. You don't have to be on the property a long time to "get" the red/green book feuds at NWA. I flew with the #1 blue book guy the other day and he's been around a pretty long time (initially hired by Republic but after the announcement). Are you saying he can't get the feud because he's blue book? I don't think so. As far as SLI, I wasn't going to get to it at all. I won't contribute to the "sword fight." I won't pass rumors or buy into any of the media reports/leaks. I won't stir the pot. I'm patiently waiting for words from my MEC. Have a nice day.

 

[On Your Six]

If DAL/NWA merger does not happen, what is the phase-out plan for the Diesel 9 fleet? How will this impact the current Diesel 9 pilot group? Will the Diesel 9s primarily be replaced by E175s? Can someone elaborate on this topic?

 

[tomgoodman]

Make 'em buy new airplanes

If DAL/NWA merger does not happen, what is the phase-out plan for the Diesel 9 fleet?

If the DC-9s are no longer needed, they should be scrapped instead of sold. Ours ended up in the hands of a low-cost competitor, who promptly used them against us.