Will DAL/NW Merge? Yay or Nay?

[michael707767]

The truth is that there isn't ANY argument about the top part of the list. Rather, their current table position would cripple the career progression of well over 2000 NWA pilots while they would enjoy almost all of the top positions for well over a decade.

They are in full spin mode trying to justify their ridiculous positions and laying blame while the NWA guys are trying to get the job done.

I am hearing its just the opposite. NWA is in spin mode, trying to justify walking away from the huge contractual improvements they could get . A relative position merger still favors the NWA pilots. Delta has a much higher percentage of widebodies, so a lot of NWA pilots will end up at widebody seniority even in a straight percentage merger. NWAs retirements are more than offset by the attrition your fleet faces in the next few years...even with the 787s coming in.

Delta does want to avoid arbitration though. I believe our position is sustainable, but we are not going to do this deal unless we are sure it has value for the Delta pilots all the way around.

I do agree with you on one thing. Let this thing die. I am perfectly happy with the career I see in front of me at Delta. Keep what you have, I'll keep what I have.

 

[propdog]

disregard

 

[propdog]

Are the unions still at the negotiating table OR are they done for right now??

 

[propdog]

Heyas Propdog,

The fact that the NWA team would rather take arbitration over the current "table offer" deal speaks volumes.

They are WELL aware of the cluster F@#@ the arbitration at USAir was, and in fact, it has been their postion that arbitration is NOT desirable in any, way, shape or form.

But the fact that they would consider that preferable what the DAL guys are offering, PLUS the fact that the DAL guys don't want to get near an arbitrator, tells me that the table position is SOOO lopsided that it wouldn't pass the sniff check.

Don't let the DAL boyos here fool you. The hangups with the integration talk ISN'T about redbook/greenbook...that's just a smokescreen, just like the "leaked" press reports that had the NWA team "demanding" that we staple 3000 of their pilots (absurd on its face).

The truth is that there isn't ANY argument about the top part of the list. Rather, their current table position would cripple the career progression of well over 2000 NWA pilots while they would enjoy almost all of the top positions for well over a decade.

They are in full spin mode trying to justify their ridiculous positions and laying blame while the NWA guys are trying to get the job done.

But don't take my word for it. Call your rep, and get the REAL story.

Personally, let this thing die.

Nu

PS Keep Delta their Delta

I talked to the rep. Lets help them keep Delta their Delta!!

 

[Superpilot92]

http://www.startribune.com/business/15996522.html

Delta Air Lines CEO Richard Anderson told his employees Tuesday that he has not proceeded with a merger because Delta still doesn't have a deal that meets all of its goals.
Northwest Airlines and Delta have reached agreement on a merger, but executives at the carriers have been waiting for their pilot groups to integrate their seniority lists. It's unclear whether the two union groups can achieve that goal, because some pilots would be winners and others would be losers under virtually any methodology used to merge the lists.
"To date, we have not arrived at a potential transaction that meets all of our principles," Anderson said in a memo that was also signed by Ed Bastian, the airline's president.
Protecting the seniority of Delta employees was one of the five principles cited.
"Rest assured that we will not complete a transaction unless all of these conditions are met," the executives said.
Preserving the Delta name and Atlanta headquarters also are essential to Delta, the executives said. They added that a merger must allow Delta to strengthen its network and accelerate its plans to expand in the international market.
In November, Anderson said that the headquarters must remain in Atlanta. But Minnesota politicians pressed him in recent weeks to consider saving Northwest's headquarters in Eagan. The headquarters would be in Atlanta under the merger documents that the Delta and Northwest boards are poised to approve, according to a person familiar with the transaction.
In his employee memo, Anderson did not name the pilots' conflict or Northwest.
But it appears that he released the memo to reassure Delta employees that he has not deviated from core merger principles and that the airline has a "strong stand-alone plan" if that's needed.
Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said in a Tuesday message that Northwest's leadership is prepared to give "positive" consideration to a "transaction that would provide greater long-term security and growth opportunities for our employees" and create value for Northwest shareholders.
The Delta-Northwest merger is structured as a stock swap.

 

[737 Pylt]

Its funny. The DAL mec hasn't said anything publicly......Yet the loudmouth NWA MEC has already made 2 statements to the press. Its kinda like that little kid in the playground who just got his ass beat in a fight and is throwing that tantrum!
Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Its funny. The DAL mec hasn't said anything publicly......Yet the loudmouth NWA MEC has already made 2 statements to the press. Its kinda like that little kid in the playground who just got his ass beat in a fight and is throwing that tantrum!
Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

And people say I'm angry. Throwing the NWA mec under the bus now? Lighten up...you're going to throw gear for these NW guys. You should try to get along with them.

 

[Noserider76]

Heyas Propdog,

The fact that the NWA team would rather take arbitration over the current "table offer" deal speaks volumes.

Personally, let this thing die.

Nu

PS Keep Delta their Delta

Can you fill us in on what you know about the table positions and what you would call a "fair" integration? In specifics if possible.

I agree about letting it die. It sounds like it's well on it's way.

 

[Schwanker]

Maybe next time the NWA mec can show up to the table prepared, and without their lopsided demands that are so far out of whack!

737

Let's hope they don't show up at all. NWA pilots would be much better off without this deal.

 

[737 Pylt]

Let's hope they don't show up at all. NWA pilots would be much better off without this deal.

I agree, who needs an aging shrinking fleet of outdated narrow body airplanes!

737

 

[737 Pylt]

And people say I'm angry.

No, people say you're stupid!:laugh:

Throwing the NWA mec under the bus now? Lighten up...

They threw themselves under the bus with their rediculous demands!

you're going to throw gear for these NW guys. You should try to get along with them.

Maybe, but at least it won't be at mesa with the likes of you!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Ahhhhhhhh.......Looks like we got trouble in paradise. And just think, the General said this was going to be seamless.

 

[clippyrip]

NWAs retirements are more than offset by the attrition your fleet faces in the next few years...even with the 787s coming in.

Wrong and double wrong.

So what you are trying to say is that NWA is going to have fleet reductions equal to about 2500 pilot retirements and that things will remain relatively stagnant over the next ten years.

HA HA HA. I need hip waders for how deep it is getting around here.

Let's try and get along...we'll be flying with each other in a while.

 

[lowecur]

I agree about letting it die. It sounds like it's well on it's way.

Yes, let's just let it die! Let's just wait for a few years to see how things shake out. :laugh:

Did you see the Lufthansa profit for 2007.....$2.5B, yes Billion (on half the pax of WN)! Just how the hell are DL and NWA going to compete with numerous super carriers like this around the globe? You people are living in lala land if you think DL (yes, they will have to spend at least $10B for fleet renewal) is going to be able to make a buck against these carriers that have bank accounts that resemble bottomless pits.

imp:​

 

[michael707767]

Wrong and double wrong.

So what you are trying to say is that NWA is going to have fleet reductions equal to about 2500 pilot retirements and that things will remain relatively stagnant over the next ten years. .

No, I am trying to say when you balance the attrition of both pilots and aircraft with aircraft deliveries, your advancement for the next 5-10 years is not that different than what a Delta pilot can expect.