Will ASA have a contract by tonight?

[boknowsASA]

Will we have a contract by tonight? yes or no...

 

[Speedtape]

Will we have a contract by tonight? yes or no...

Like the capital 1 guy says in the ad:


NO
NO
NO

 

[boknowsASA]

Like the capital 1 guy says in the ad:


NO
NO
NO

thats funny!!!!

 

[makersmarc]

Reply Hazy Try Again

 

[WWEfan]

Yes.....err, I mean no.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

We haven't had it in the last 4 years, why would today be any different...it's pathetic!

 

[jstyle13]

Looks like they are making some decent progress, but they still haven't even discussed compensation yet. I have a hard time beleiving they will get it all done today. If they don't get it done it would nice to see them announce further neg. dates.

<keeping my fingers crossed>

 

[WWEfan]

I did get an email today stating that more progress had been made and that they had narrowed the issues down to about 20 items over 5 or 6 sections. Ofcourse these are the economic sections

 

[ohplease!]

yes but the MEC won't release any details because its on a need to know basis and you just don't need to know....just kidding (about the yes part).

No. Probably the first quarter of '07.

 

[ASARJMan]

yes but the MEC won't release any details because its on a need to know basis and you just don't need to know....just kidding (about the yes part).

No. Probably the first quarter of '07.

You're a real arse aren't you OhSorry? Progress is being made and you still trash the MEC. What has really happened is the mediator told the company to negoiate or else he could release us for self-help. There will be more dates announced for January if the mediator feels sunstancial progress is being made.

Voted To Strike ASA!

 

[kikejavy]

I guess I'm a fool for thinking this way but I feel like they have great momentum going and that there is a genuine desire on both sides to put all this contract thing behind us. They can get it done by tonight if they want to I say there is a 15% chance they will get it done tonight.

 

[HoserASA]

If the mediator thinks that positive progress is made, by both sides, then additional negoatiation dates will probally be set for January. The mediator is tied up the remaining days of this month, from what I hear, to grant any more dates this month. It appears good progress is being made so hopefully this deal will wrap up in the very near future. Trashing the MEC/CNC at this point is pointless. Those who do should get involved if they know so much.

Hoser
P2P

 

[wms]

Happy for the progress. Can't wait to vote NO.

 

[HoserASA]

Happy for the progress. Can't wait to vote NO.

I may vote NO also, but at least they're moving it along, after 4 friggin' years! And if it has what I think is fair for everyone, not necessarily for me, I'll vote YES.

Hoser

 

[gator_hater]

I may vote NO also, but at least they're moving it along, after 4 friggin' years! And if it has what I think is fair for everyone, not necessarily for me, I'll vote YES.

Hoser

there is a novel idea, someone is actually going to vote for what is best for the group. sure beats voting no just to do it, or because you don't get the one thing you wanted the most. Now if the rest of us would act with integrity like Mr. Hoser we could put this behind us and worry about something important...bowl season.

 

[Headfake14]

Happy for the progress. Can't wait to vote NO.

don't ya just love the guys that already have their mind made up

 

[FightingIrish]

You're a real arse aren't you OhSorry? Progress is being made and you still trash the MEC. What has really happened is the mediator told the company to negoiate or else he could release us for self-help. There will be more dates announced for January if the mediator feels sunstancial progress is being made.

Voted To Strike ASA!

ASARJMan, we aren't "trashing" the MEC. We disagree with them as do some of the ALPA "insiders". It's great that progress is finally being made, but some of us believe this could have been done sooner.

 

[FightingIrish]

If the mediator thinks that positive progress is made, by both sides, then additional negoatiation dates will probally be set for January. The mediator is tied up the remaining days of this month, from what I hear, to grant any more dates this month. It appears good progress is being made so hopefully this deal will wrap up in the very near future. Trashing the MEC/CNC at this point is pointless. Those who do should get involved if they know so much.

Hoser
P2P

We aren't "trashing" anyone. Some of us haven't agreed with the way things have been handled on ALPA's side. Are we allowed to disagree with our union, or is that not allowed? Hoser, you can disagree without "trashing" someone. By the way, I am involved in ALPA. I spent some time in the strike center, and was embarrassed by the way some of our ALPA people talked about the LJ coalition members. It was not professional.

 

[FightingIrish]

Happy for the progress. Can't wait to vote NO.

Why are you going to vote NO?

 

[~~~^~~~]

My "NO" vote is pretty much assured as well after talking with Scott Hall regarding the Company's position on scope. In a nutshell, Mr. Hall feels the only scope we have is to be paid lower than everyone else in the industry. He feels DOH at SkyWest if airplanes get transferred, or pilots go with airplanes, or fleet guarantees, or block hour guarantees, or any other alternative is "unworkable."

Certainly Capt. Hall is not the author of this position, but he illustrates management's position that ASA pilots only serve at the whim of our masters at SkyWest. Although we have more time and effort into making ASA a success than just about any senior manager at the G.O., our contribution is meaningless going forward.

Everything this side of one list is a compromise. Before the SkyWest purchase ASA pilots at least had perfect scope over ASA flying - now we don't even have that. That is a concession I am not willing to abide.

Scope is my only strike issue and it remains a strike issue, regardless of what else is in the contract.

 

[mkingmei]

keep it in check

let's not get too excited by the latest talks.
don't get me wrong I am happy to see some movement and some TA'd sections but it isn't really the balls of it. the company is just doing what it should have been doing for the past 4 years.
things are going to look all roses for a bit and then they are going to to do what they always do... stall and then blame us for not having this done.

so please keep you eye on the goal and not the smoke and mirrors mngmnt stuff. have some faith in your union and don't rush into anything.

just my thoughts. take them for you want.

I will probably vote NO unless it is real good(or perhaps out of spite, we will see).
no consessions for anyone period.

 

[ASARJMan]

ASARJMan, we aren't "trashing" the MEC. We disagree with them as do some of the ALPA "insiders". It's great that progress is finally being made, but some of us believe this could have been done sooner.

But in your little world the company couldn't have done it sooner either huh? It's all ALPA's fault isn't it? What about our current agreement, you know, the one we're working under right now, the one that the company constantly violates/ignores?

Voted To STRIKE The ASA Division of Skywest Inc!

 

[goahead]

Five TA'd this week, meeting again next week in Charleston S.C.

 

[SiuDude]

Five TA'd this week, meeting again next week in Charleston S.C.

Nope, second week of January.

 

[goahead]

Nope, second week of January.

Really, I'm on the road and read the front page on my cell, I didn't read the full attch b/c it wouldn't open. I thought they said next week. Well Shi_t.

 

[Speedtape]

We aren't "trashing" anyone. Some of us haven't agreed with the way things have been handled on ALPA's side. Are we allowed to disagree with our union, or is that not allowed? Hoser, you can disagree without "trashing" someone. By the way, I am involved in ALPA. I spent some time in the strike center, and was embarrassed by the way some of our ALPA people talked about the LJ coalition members. It was not professional.

JB,

When were you ever in the strike center?

 

[Bizjet]

We aren't "trashing" anyone. Some of us haven't agreed with the way things have been handled on ALPA's side. Are we allowed to disagree with our union, or is that not allowed? Hoser, you can disagree without "trashing" someone. By the way, I am involved in ALPA. I spent some time in the strike center, and was embarrassed by the way some of our ALPA people talked about the LJ coalition members. It was not professional.

Lynn Jackson is not professional so why would she expect professional treatment. Your post appear to be written by JoeyMerchant. Could you be his little MinniME? Or did you cough up the $10 for a new screen name so you could make everyone think the Fab 4 has another supporter? Maybe it's time for you to get out of the KITCHEN as things will soon heat up if we don't get movement in pay rates, insurance, rigs, etc. Joey likes to use that "some of us" blah, blah, blah just like you his little MinniME is now doing? Hum, could it be?????? "Some of us" would like to know????

 

[ASARJMan]

You're a goddam, friggin' broken record. Jeez! get some new material would ya'?
It's begining to become sad to watch you babble on, even for me.

First off OhLoser, you can block any/all of my posts to combat your self-induced sadness. Secondly, lay off the booze.! Do you even read what you write before you post it? Where did that other post you wrote on SKYW in ATL thread go? Did you take it off, or did the moderator?

Voted To Strike The ASA Division of Skywest Inc!

 

[wms]

Why are you going to vote NO?

If the TA is anything like the "matched" areas that were published a while back, then I'll vote no.

Integration days, floating days off on reserve (the company went from 6 to 4), less than 12 days off per month, a complicated jr man and reserve call-out system that's too hard to verify, the commuter clause as it was proposed, etc, not to mention 100% retro-pay. Any of these is a no vote from me.

Even with a new contract SKYW will STILL probably have it better than us, and other carriers have made good gains as well. There's no reason we should settle for less than we deserve. I was on reserve for 4 out of 61/2 years and am tired of be treated anything less than professional by people who's incompetence affects not only me but my whole family. I work hard, even in negotiations, and expect compensation and QOL that reflects that. I have high expectations and high standards and my vote is gonna reflect it. We know from experience that the company won't do what's right for rights-sake. And unfortunately if we are going to expect ASA's 20-something schedulers to be professional and treat us like professionals, every aspect of our relationship is going to have to be contractual, with measures in place to monitor it. History shows they can't be trusted and will use every loop-hole they can find.

I will vote based on what meets the needs of my family and me. But I won't vote for a contract that leaves a pilot behind. Voting for "what's best for the group" is what the J5 will use to sell pilots out for their own interests. If you look at the items I mentioned above they don't even affect most of the J5 so they'll compromise on those kind of things and sell out the majority in the process. According to a Q and A someone posted on the ALPA board, one of them said he would go for $5000 cash instead of retro. He would probably get less under retro so he makes out. But with retro most of us would get way more than $5000. So whether he knows it or not, he'd be selling most of us out on retro to get more for himself in cash.

I'll vote for a contract I think is fair, that's my right. But if I vote no and it passes I'll continue to do my job, that's my responsibilty.

 

[USCtrojan]

My "NO" vote is pretty much assured as well after talking with Scott Hall regarding the Company's position on scope. In a nutshell, Mr. Hall feels the only scope we have is to be paid lower than everyone else in the industry. He feels DOH at SkyWest if airplanes get transferred, or pilots go with airplanes, or fleet guarantees, or block hour guarantees, or any other alternative is "unworkable."

Certainly Capt. Hall is not the author of this position, but he illustrates management's position that ASA pilots only serve at the whim of our masters at SkyWest. Although we have more time and effort into making ASA a success than just about any senior manager at the G.O., our contribution is meaningless going forward.

Everything this side of one list is a compromise. Before the SkyWest purchase ASA pilots at least had perfect scope over ASA flying - now we don't even have that. That is a concession I am not willing to abide.

Scope is my only strike issue and it remains a strike issue, regardless of what else is in the contract.

I'm with you fins, I'll vote no if the scope sucks. We have ironclad scope or I vote no. The rest is gravy if you ask me. My guess is if the Union is happy with their gains, its probably pretty good (industry leading, or right up there).

Trojan