Why was PappaWoody and his thread deleted?

[Kharma Police]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

I guess your friend will have to wait to do his professional flame baiting.

 

[Lear70]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

OK, what part of "I didn't do it and don't know how or why it went down" did not come through from my last communication?

If you want an answer, you'll have to email the WEBMASTER! That is, the website OWNER... I'm just a mod, on a volunteer basis; if the webmaster does something, I have zero control over it. It's his site. I'm happy to help keep the place running smoothly, but changes made at the top stay at the top.

Incidentally, PapaWoody is still shown as a registered user, is not on the Ban list, and last logged in today at 0630 EST.

Shagadelic, I'm not in ANY way saying you're not telling the truth, but the server log doesn't lie, and I have no reason to either. There's the possibility that the Webmaster has the ability to do something I can't see with my levels of permission and did so after 0630 today but, again, you'd have to ask him.

edit: CLR was posting at the same time I was. Feel free to PM me and ask me any specific information you like, or post it out in the open, I'll respond here as well. There's no secret plan or agenda, guys & gals,,,

 

[waveflyer]

I'm pretty sure it's kumbaya.

Cum....bye....ya. Has a whole other connotation(!)
Haha
Not that I haven't done it!
;-)

 

[clr4theapch]

.. woopsee!

 

[shagadelic]

Shag.. The mods nor the website owner don't owe you or anyone an explaination, however when we do it, it is done with the utmost repect for you the members. We all have full time jobs and lives to deal with just as you, many times we do not have the time to write an explaination nor care too, as the reason in most all cases are obvious..

It is our call how we handle each and every complaint, too and including doing nothing at all.. lately we are getting large numbers of reported violations that are just annoying false alarms just to get a rise out of the MOds..
In my opinion, that is disrespectful to the service in the form of many hours we volunteer to Flight info, and I don't take it as a joke...

Bantering between members is one thing as long as it fits the TOS, we have sections for everything here and we reserve the right to move threads accordingly without anyone's permission.. I take attacks on a mods ethical standards as an assult as well, just like an baseball umpire, football refree or any other official, we sdo our very best to remain neutral but always "fair" and unless it is a clear and absolutle abuse of some perceived power we have, The owner of FI will back us fully and we will handle these abuses swiftly.. The FI owner can at anytime remove us...

We can go many weeks and months here without a problem, but sometimes a few members are having a bad day and come here to blow off steam, most of which is ignored... but if it takes a personal turn, to anyone even the mods, then dont expect a nice little PM when you get suspended from FI for some time..

So stop beating up the volunteers.. we have opinions, we are aviators as well, WE ARE UNPAID HERE.. we will NOT use our FI status any different in threads we participate in or not.. the Terms of Service apply to all of us.. I have even suspended myself once earlier this year for a violation.. it happens.. but we should be allowed to share our views as well, we are members too!!

So come on people.. lets get along here.. cum-bye-ya.. ok.. aviation has enough problems to be discussed and maybe even workout here without blowing up another member.. If you don't like the style of member, use the ignor feature and you will no longer see their posts.. easy...

Thanks for being members here, alot of good has come out of this web site, and just remember, the mods are here to just help keep things organized and policed..

If I were banned, I would hope you'd at least fire off a brief explanation as to why. I would hope you'd tell me how long I were banned. Lear70 thinks he's not banned...so even a moderator didn't know he was banned. As a member, I'd like to know why pappa was banned so I, and all other users, can avoid the same fate...

You don't owe anybody an explanation, that is clear. That doesn't mean it's not expected or appreciated. It's not my site, but in over 11 years I've been lurking/posting here, I've never seen this.........

 

[Midge]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

This is FI, there hasn't been anything professional about this site in years.

 

[clr4theapch]

Shag.. thanks for being a member since May 16 2002... when a member is banned they will get a one-liner explaination.. We are not usually going to talk about other members business here, but since this has become a topic, the member you have been complaining about is not suspended from service.. by any mod, now if the website owner does something thats his business, but I dont see anything there either..

and Midge, I am sorry we are so pathetic of a site that this is the only place you find the time to post... I am sure if you look hard enough here are some web sites that will enjoy your complaints..

 

[oriondriver]

No, I didn't, but thanks for going on the offensive against me yet again.

Moderator hat on:

(edit) As far as I can tell, PapaWoody hasn't been banned, he just hasn't posted since his thread was removed. He doesn't show up in the "Banned Users" log, so he should be still free to post.

The thread was removed by the Website Owner (Webmaster). I did not, nor did any other Mod request the Webmaster to get involved. PapaWoody's eMail request directly to the Webmaster for Webmaster oversight evidently had unintended consequences for him, as the Webmaster took further action and removed PapaWoody's thread. I found out this morning when I logged in to check another reported thread.

As far as to WHY he did it, you'd have to email him and ask, as I honestly don't know, although I suspect it had to do with inciting dissension with a post that appeared to be designed to invoke a negative response. Again, that's just a guess.

I have NO problem with people posting their opinion, even if I don't agree with it, the difference is in HOW you voice your opinion. As a rule of thumb, if it's something you wouldn't say in a full crew room to someone's face in that same, exact way, it's probably not a good idea to post it here.

As long as you don't go on personal attacks, follow the FI ToS, and generally don't deliberately cause dissension between two pilot groups, I'd have no reason to.

Had to suspend someone just this morning for going on a personal attack against the General, and I don't recall even having had a PM chat with GenLee in the past... Heck, I gave the General a 7-day suspension a while back for going off on people and then today had to do the same thing to someone who went after HIM. Moderating isn't personal, it's just trying to keep the site from jumping the shark completely and I apply the same rules evenly to everyone.

The rules are simple, they can be found at any time from the main page, and are intended to keep the flow of information flowing and encourage FRIENDLY debate. Just be professional, keep SLI discussions in SLI threads, follow the ToS, and everyone can post what they want to their heart's content.

/mod

so thats why the general starting acting like a sycophant whenever he tries to flame someone. he doesn't want to get banned again by the man

 

[GuppyWN]

Personally not impressed with banning someone for not agreeing with them.

New Alert folks. Someone is going to be pissed when this is all said and done.

Gup

 

[Lear70]

Personally not impressed with banning someone for not agreeing with them.

And who did that?

The only enforcement actions I've done recently were for an AirTran pilot who violated the ToS by using someone's actual name, another pilot who violated the ToS using profanity in a personal attack in a SWA/AAI thread (don't know for certain who he/she worked for), and some other person who violated the ToS using sexual-based profanity in a personal attack against the General in an unrelated thread.

None of them are permanently banned, just on varying lengths of FI vacations from 7 days to 30 so they can learn to abide by the ToS (the 30 day person, incidentally, was the AirTran pilot - repeat offender). The mods were doing this BEFORE the SWA/AAI acquisition announcement, and we'll be doing it after all the dust settles.

New Alert folks. Someone is going to be pissed when this is all said and done.

Gup

If you're talking about the SLI, I agree. The age-old adage comes to mind about "You know an SLI has been fair when just about everyone is irritated at the outcome".

If you're talking about something else, please elaborate.

 

[Lear70]

so thats why the general starting acting like a sycophant whenever he tries to flame someone. he doesn't want to get banned again by the man

He had been getting more and more aggressively demeaning and abusive in his posts, so he was given one last suspension and one final warning.

After that warning, he came back with a new attitude. Basically, everything in CAPS he types is all tongue-in-cheek sarcasm about being given a final warning - his "I must help other people" approach to FI these days.

It's amusing to read, and has actually had the intended result: he isn't as abusive in his responses as he used to be, but still gets his point across exceedingly well. We may or may not personally agree with what he says, but as long as he stays within the ToS and doesn't turn posts into personal attacks against another user, or posts laced with profanity or other ToS violations, he's free to post his opinion, as is everyone else.

p.s. I've been a bit busy and forgot to mention earlier: To the Southwest Pilot who was upset about the CEO quotes going away that you had to research, I still have access to the deleted thread, I'd be happy to copy them and PM them to you or re-post them in this thread. I didn't necessarily agree with your points made with them, but understand they represent quite a bit of work to research and post for you and would be happy to make sure you have them back for future discussion.

Regards,

 

[ivauir]

If you want an answer, you'll have to email the WEBMASTER! That is, the website OWNER...

Tempting, the last guy who did that go BANNED.

Disappointing.

 

[shagadelic]

Shag.. thanks for being a member since May 16 2002...

Ok my bad, it hasn't been 11 years for "Shagadelic". Back in the day we didn't have to pay 10 bucks to change screen names. You are absolutely correct. "Shagadelic" has been a member since 2002. I guess since I was on flightinfo prior to getting on with SWA, and have been with SWA for over 10 years, I used 11 years... Was that supposed to be some sort of dig at my honesty?

Meanwhile, I'm still curious why somebody hired 2 years after I was hired, making half my pay, thinks he deserves to be senior to me.

 

[Sy-bill]

Meanwhile, I'm still curious why somebody hired 2 years after I was hired, making half my pay, thinks he deserves to be senior to me.

Objectively, they don't deserve to be senior to you.

Since the Airtran pilots are getting an incredible increase in pay, benefits and scheduling enhancements, the Southwest guys should get at least DOH with relative seniority guarantees.

Buying someones airline is different than two airlines deciding to merge operations. My guess is the Airtran pilots will end up happy with the compensation and quality of life increases where the Southwest pilots will be happy with their relative seniority increases. No arbitrator is going to give it all to Airtran with no gains experienced for the Southwest pilots.

 

[Midge]

and Midge, I am sorry we are so pathetic of a site that this is the only place you find the time to post... I am sure if you look hard enough here are some web sites that will enjoy your complaints..

Thanks for proving my point on the lousy moderating on this fourm.
And yes, it still is pathetic.

 

[slaquer5]

He had been getting more and more aggressively demeaning and abusive in his posts, so he was given one last suspension and one final warning.

After that warning, he came back with a new attitude. Basically, everything in CAPS he types is all tongue-in-cheek sarcasm about being given a final warning - his "I must help other people" approach to FI these days.

As irritating as the general is , he has a point of he does bring a lot discussion to FI. He is by far the most entertaining poster on FI. JMO ( If I owned FI I would never ban the General, no matter how irritating he can be)

 

[GuppyWN]

Lear,

I wasn't knocking you. I was simply saying that Papa came out swinging and got booted. If he would have started BEFORE the acquisition announcement he would have been just another poster. I still don't get what TOS he violated. Maybe the "I don't agree with you and it's MY webpage" section.

Yes, I was talking about someone being pissed after the SLI. Hopefully it will be you guys! Just like you guys hope it's WN guys that are pissed.

Gup

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

I wasn't knocking you. I was simply saying that Papa came out swinging and got booted. If he would have started BEFORE the acquisition announcement he would have been just another poster. I still don't get what TOS he violated. Maybe the "I don't agree with you and it's MY webpage" section.

Wish I knew what to tell you, but honestly, the page I can view for members shows he is in no way restricted from logging in, not banned at all and showing as an active member...?

Yes, I was talking about someone being pissed after the SLI. Hopefully it will be you guys! Just like you guys hope it's WN guys that are pissed.

Gup

Heh heh... quite honestly, I hope NO ONE is P.O.'d... But then again, Murphy was an optimist.

Good luck to everyone, despite all the back-and-forth, I still look forward to flying with you guys and gals!

 

[ironspud]

Dammit!! Did some say "loose" instead of "lose" again. Absolute ban material!

 

[PapaWoody]

I'M BACK, BABYDOLL! And I'm a fully reformed member of the community! I will offer this olive branch, though...my complaints about Lear's moderating were my opinion only, and may have been slightly influenced by my difference of opinions vis a vis how we stand with respect to the SLI. 'Nuff said - there will be no more complaints from this cowboy on that front. On the other hand, I plan on continuing (eventually) my robust support of every Southwest Pilot's position as it pertains to the upcoming SLI. AAI guys understand that I have no hard feelings towards you guys preaching relativity (in your place, I would be right there witcha), so please don't take personal offense to my testimony as to why that just ain't gonna float (imo). At the end of the day/process, we will all hug it out, beetches. Peace!

Fraternally,
PapaW

PS Thanks to all the ardent supporters that kept PW afloat during his (dare I say unjustified?) sabbatical. "You like me, you really like me..." - except for those who hate me...lol :laugh: