Why was PappaWoody and his thread deleted?

[vixin]

Thread Gone

What happened to the thread were I had a bunch of quotes from Airtrans CEO?

 

[Kharma Police]

What happened to the thread were I had a bunch of quotes from Airtrans CEO?

Man!, all that hard work searching Google for nothing! I'm guessing it wasn't your quotes but rather the discussion getting personal.

 

[ASADFW7]

Maybe it is for the best. It sort of reminds me of tryouts for sports team where we beat each other up in practice for a position but all played together once the team was decided.

 

[redflyer65]

What was the CEO saying? I missed it.

 

[Dash Power]

Some had legitimate concerns over a moderators behavior and voiced them loudly on the thread that is now gone.

I have lost all faith in the objectivity of this site. The moderators feel it is their site and not the members. I will no longer recommend this site for information. Too much other free sites to choose from to get the same information.

 

[shagadelic]

I know that guy is not exactly PC, but he did generate a lot of discussion on his nuptial thread...

His posts were not popular, but I'm curious as to what would cause him to be summarily deleted? His last post included a letter to the flightinfo moderator, about Lear70 and his apparent lop sided moderation.

Pappa was not an old player on FI creating a new handle to stir stuff up, he actually was new, albeit unpopular. This is a private forum, and thus there is no guarantee to free speech, but I would like to know what will get us SWA guys tossed off so we can continue to be part of any milquetoast debate.

And no, I am not Pappa, feel free to check my IP address.

 

[Cometman]

I know that guy is not exactly PC, but he did generate a lot of discussion on his nuptial thread...

His posts were not popular, but I'm curious as to what would cause him to be summarily deleted? His last post included a letter to the flightinfo moderator, about Lear70 and his apparent lop sided moderation.

Pappa was not an old player on FI creating a new handle to stir stuff up, he actually was new, albeit unpopular. This is a private forum, and thus there is no guarantee to free speech, but I would like to know what will get us SWA guys tossed off so we can continue to be part of any milquetoast debate.

And no, I am not Pappa, feel free to check my IP address.

Lear70 probably did it. Maybe he will delete me now that I said he was involved. He has become the FI police.

 

[Kharma Police]

Lear70 probably did it. Maybe he will delete me now that I said he was involved. He has become the FI police.

You could always go to the SWAPA board. That is, if you were a pilot for Southwest.

 

[Sy-bill]

You could always go to the SWAPA board. That is, if you were a pilot for Southwest.

Careful. You will be grossly out numbered when your pay stub says Southwest at the top.

Know where you are in the food chain. And go from there.

 

[K-Mart]

Maybe he wanted his posts deleted. Ask him.

 

[shagadelic]

Maybe he wanted his posts deleted. Ask him.

No, he didn't. He didn't think he did anything that warranted getting kicked off.

Once again, I'm not advocating the content of his postings, but I am advocating his right to say his peace. We're all big boys and girls here (well most of us). What exactly did he do wrong?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Some had legitimate concerns over a moderators behavior and voiced them loudly on the thread that is now gone.

I have lost all faith in the objectivity of this site. The moderators feel it is their site and not the members. I will no longer recommend this site for information. Too much other free sites to choose from to get the same information.

Hey, maybe it's for the best. Some of our own SWA brothers are too stupid to keep their retarded buddy screwing thoughts to themselves.

 

[Cometman]

Maybe it is for the best. It sort of reminds me of tryouts for sports team where we beat each other up in practice for a position but all played together once the team was decided.

Now that is a true statement.

 

[oriondriver]

I would also like to know what papa woody said that caused his removal.

 

[Lear70]

Lear70 probably did it.

No, I didn't, but thanks for going on the offensive against me yet again.

Moderator hat on:

(edit) As far as I can tell, PapaWoody hasn't been banned, he just hasn't posted since his thread was removed. He doesn't show up in the "Banned Users" log, so he should be still free to post.

The thread was removed by the Website Owner (Webmaster). I did not, nor did any other Mod request the Webmaster to get involved. PapaWoody's eMail request directly to the Webmaster for Webmaster oversight evidently had unintended consequences for him, as the Webmaster took further action and removed PapaWoody's thread. I found out this morning when I logged in to check another reported thread.

As far as to WHY he did it, you'd have to email him and ask, as I honestly don't know, although I suspect it had to do with inciting dissension with a post that appeared to be designed to invoke a negative response. Again, that's just a guess.

I have NO problem with people posting their opinion, even if I don't agree with it, the difference is in HOW you voice your opinion. As a rule of thumb, if it's something you wouldn't say in a full crew room to someone's face in that same, exact way, it's probably not a good idea to post it here.

Maybe he will delete me now that I said he was involved. He has become the FI police.

As long as you don't go on personal attacks, follow the FI ToS, and generally don't deliberately cause dissension between two pilot groups, I'd have no reason to.

Had to suspend someone just this morning for going on a personal attack against the General, and I don't recall even having had a PM chat with GenLee in the past... Heck, I gave the General a 7-day suspension a while back for going off on people and then today had to do the same thing to someone who went after HIM. Moderating isn't personal, it's just trying to keep the site from jumping the shark completely and I apply the same rules evenly to everyone.

The rules are simple, they can be found at any time from the main page, and are intended to keep the flow of information flowing and encourage FRIENDLY debate. Just be professional, keep SLI discussions in SLI threads, follow the ToS, and everyone can post what they want to their heart's content.

/mod

 

[dicko]

No, he didn't. He didn't think he did anything that warranted getting kicked off.

Once again, I'm not advocating the content of his postings, but I am advocating his right to say his peace. We're all big boys and girls here (well most of us). What exactly did he do wrong?

He was deleted due to his inability to use paragraph breaks. Barely literate.

 

[Lear70]

Some had legitimate concerns over a moderators behavior and voiced them loudly on the thread that is now gone.

I have lost all faith in the objectivity of this site. The moderators feel it is their site and not the members. I will no longer recommend this site for information. Too much other free sites to choose from to get the same information.

The moderators didn't do it, but thanks for asking first.

The Webmaster (website OWNER) did it after the original poster of the thread emailed him about my moderating. I didn't find out about it until I logged in this morning.

This site doesn't belong to the members, it belongs to the webmaster. While I'm sure he appreciates your participation, it doesn't mean he has to allow people to say whatever they want, however they want, whenever they want, even if it's to the detriment of the site.

All of us slinging mud at each other doesn't accomplish anything positive, does it?

Moderator hat on:

Daddy suspended for personal attacks, creative spelling of profanity.

This thread will be merged with the other thread on the same topic.

/mod

 

[Kharma Police]

Careful. You will be grossly out numbered when your pay stub says Southwest at the top.

Know where you are in the food chain. And go from there.

Thanks, you sound like Morgan Freeman in, "The Shawshank Redemption".

 

[ASADFW7]

Okay lets get back to practice and muscle for position, water break is over!

 

[shagadelic]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

 

[Kharma Police]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

I guess your friend will have to wait to do his professional flame baiting.

 

[Lear70]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

OK, what part of "I didn't do it and don't know how or why it went down" did not come through from my last communication?

If you want an answer, you'll have to email the WEBMASTER! That is, the website OWNER... I'm just a mod, on a volunteer basis; if the webmaster does something, I have zero control over it. It's his site. I'm happy to help keep the place running smoothly, but changes made at the top stay at the top.

Incidentally, PapaWoody is still shown as a registered user, is not on the Ban list, and last logged in today at 0630 EST.

Shagadelic, I'm not in ANY way saying you're not telling the truth, but the server log doesn't lie, and I have no reason to either. There's the possibility that the Webmaster has the ability to do something I can't see with my levels of permission and did so after 0630 today but, again, you'd have to ask him.

edit: CLR was posting at the same time I was. Feel free to PM me and ask me any specific information you like, or post it out in the open, I'll respond here as well. There's no secret plan or agenda, guys & gals,,,

 

[waveflyer]

I'm pretty sure it's kumbaya.

Cum....bye....ya. Has a whole other connotation(!)
Haha
Not that I haven't done it!
;-)

 

[clr4theapch]

.. woopsee!

 

[shagadelic]

Shag.. The mods nor the website owner don't owe you or anyone an explaination, however when we do it, it is done with the utmost repect for you the members. We all have full time jobs and lives to deal with just as you, many times we do not have the time to write an explaination nor care too, as the reason in most all cases are obvious..

It is our call how we handle each and every complaint, too and including doing nothing at all.. lately we are getting large numbers of reported violations that are just annoying false alarms just to get a rise out of the MOds..
In my opinion, that is disrespectful to the service in the form of many hours we volunteer to Flight info, and I don't take it as a joke...

Bantering between members is one thing as long as it fits the TOS, we have sections for everything here and we reserve the right to move threads accordingly without anyone's permission.. I take attacks on a mods ethical standards as an assult as well, just like an baseball umpire, football refree or any other official, we sdo our very best to remain neutral but always "fair" and unless it is a clear and absolutle abuse of some perceived power we have, The owner of FI will back us fully and we will handle these abuses swiftly.. The FI owner can at anytime remove us...

We can go many weeks and months here without a problem, but sometimes a few members are having a bad day and come here to blow off steam, most of which is ignored... but if it takes a personal turn, to anyone even the mods, then dont expect a nice little PM when you get suspended from FI for some time..

So stop beating up the volunteers.. we have opinions, we are aviators as well, WE ARE UNPAID HERE.. we will NOT use our FI status any different in threads we participate in or not.. the Terms of Service apply to all of us.. I have even suspended myself once earlier this year for a violation.. it happens.. but we should be allowed to share our views as well, we are members too!!

So come on people.. lets get along here.. cum-bye-ya.. ok.. aviation has enough problems to be discussed and maybe even workout here without blowing up another member.. If you don't like the style of member, use the ignor feature and you will no longer see their posts.. easy...

Thanks for being members here, alot of good has come out of this web site, and just remember, the mods are here to just help keep things organized and policed..

If I were banned, I would hope you'd at least fire off a brief explanation as to why. I would hope you'd tell me how long I were banned. Lear70 thinks he's not banned...so even a moderator didn't know he was banned. As a member, I'd like to know why pappa was banned so I, and all other users, can avoid the same fate...

You don't owe anybody an explanation, that is clear. That doesn't mean it's not expected or appreciated. It's not my site, but in over 11 years I've been lurking/posting here, I've never seen this.........

 

[Midge]

Maybe he was not banned, but the system doesn't recognize his account and he can not log on. I'm not sure what the difference between being banned or being deleted, but he can not log on... period. And neither the webmaster or lear70 has let him know why or emailed him at all regarding this. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

This is FI, there hasn't been anything professional about this site in years.

 

[clr4theapch]

Shag.. thanks for being a member since May 16 2002... when a member is banned they will get a one-liner explaination.. We are not usually going to talk about other members business here, but since this has become a topic, the member you have been complaining about is not suspended from service.. by any mod, now if the website owner does something thats his business, but I dont see anything there either..

and Midge, I am sorry we are so pathetic of a site that this is the only place you find the time to post... I am sure if you look hard enough here are some web sites that will enjoy your complaints..

 

[oriondriver]

No, I didn't, but thanks for going on the offensive against me yet again.

Moderator hat on:

(edit) As far as I can tell, PapaWoody hasn't been banned, he just hasn't posted since his thread was removed. He doesn't show up in the "Banned Users" log, so he should be still free to post.

The thread was removed by the Website Owner (Webmaster). I did not, nor did any other Mod request the Webmaster to get involved. PapaWoody's eMail request directly to the Webmaster for Webmaster oversight evidently had unintended consequences for him, as the Webmaster took further action and removed PapaWoody's thread. I found out this morning when I logged in to check another reported thread.

As far as to WHY he did it, you'd have to email him and ask, as I honestly don't know, although I suspect it had to do with inciting dissension with a post that appeared to be designed to invoke a negative response. Again, that's just a guess.

I have NO problem with people posting their opinion, even if I don't agree with it, the difference is in HOW you voice your opinion. As a rule of thumb, if it's something you wouldn't say in a full crew room to someone's face in that same, exact way, it's probably not a good idea to post it here.

As long as you don't go on personal attacks, follow the FI ToS, and generally don't deliberately cause dissension between two pilot groups, I'd have no reason to.

Had to suspend someone just this morning for going on a personal attack against the General, and I don't recall even having had a PM chat with GenLee in the past... Heck, I gave the General a 7-day suspension a while back for going off on people and then today had to do the same thing to someone who went after HIM. Moderating isn't personal, it's just trying to keep the site from jumping the shark completely and I apply the same rules evenly to everyone.

The rules are simple, they can be found at any time from the main page, and are intended to keep the flow of information flowing and encourage FRIENDLY debate. Just be professional, keep SLI discussions in SLI threads, follow the ToS, and everyone can post what they want to their heart's content.

/mod

so thats why the general starting acting like a sycophant whenever he tries to flame someone. he doesn't want to get banned again by the man

 

[GuppyWN]

Personally not impressed with banning someone for not agreeing with them.

New Alert folks. Someone is going to be pissed when this is all said and done.

Gup

 

[Lear70]

Personally not impressed with banning someone for not agreeing with them.

And who did that?

The only enforcement actions I've done recently were for an AirTran pilot who violated the ToS by using someone's actual name, another pilot who violated the ToS using profanity in a personal attack in a SWA/AAI thread (don't know for certain who he/she worked for), and some other person who violated the ToS using sexual-based profanity in a personal attack against the General in an unrelated thread.

None of them are permanently banned, just on varying lengths of FI vacations from 7 days to 30 so they can learn to abide by the ToS (the 30 day person, incidentally, was the AirTran pilot - repeat offender). The mods were doing this BEFORE the SWA/AAI acquisition announcement, and we'll be doing it after all the dust settles.

New Alert folks. Someone is going to be pissed when this is all said and done.

Gup

If you're talking about the SLI, I agree. The age-old adage comes to mind about "You know an SLI has been fair when just about everyone is irritated at the outcome".

If you're talking about something else, please elaborate.