WHY there is a strike vote at DL

[SplitBar]

They are doing an 1113c, which is to "THROW THE CONTRACT OUT." They can decide what they like or dislike at anytime. If they want zero scope (which is one thing they want), they can have it. IF they want zero merger protection, they got it. IF they want to be able to do anything they want, they can have it. WE WON'T ALLOW THAT. Would you allow unlimited scope? Would you allow unlimited codeshares? At the last ALPA briefing I just attended they stated the fact that no contract means no fragmentation protection, no merger protection, etc. Those are all VERY important, and I am willing to sink this thing over SCOPE alone.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General, again, the entire contract isn't thrown out. It doesn't become a free for all for mgmt to do whatever they want and throw away the seniority list. ONLY what was on mgmt's final term sheet is imposed by the BK Judge. The rest of the contract remains in full force. Comprehendo??

 

[RJones]

Again, do you understand the ramifications? If the contract is THROWN OUT (this isn't just another TA vote), then all protections go bye bye. All merger protections, even the seniority list. Why again would people vote no to that? Is this making sense to you yet? This really is different. And, as I said before, the 8% at NW who did vote NO were likely over age 60 FEs still flying the panel on the 747-200 and DC10. They had nothing to lose.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes General Lee, it makes total sense to me. From previous companies I know what you are saying. Without a contract work rules are gone and they can and will beat you up ... you don't like it, they show you the door.

Yes General Lee, if the contract gets thrown out, strike! You and the rest have too! Management will have complete power to do anything they wish and will, regardless of what you the pilot have to say.

I support you General and all that strike. I WILL HONOR YOUR PICKET LINE!

RJ

 

[General Lee]

General, again, the entire contract isn't thrown out. It doesn't become a free for all for mgmt to do whatever they want and throw away the seniority list. ONLY what was on mgmt's final term sheet is imposed by the BK Judge. The rest of the contract remains in full force. Comprehendo??

Sounds good, excpet everything they want is VERY IMPORTANT. What would you do? ALPA said we aren't flying without a contract, or without importatnt protections. If it weren't so bad, why have we started the strike talk and opened the strike center, with a strike vote pending? Sounds like it is important, and the things they are demanding are way over the top. We won't allow it. Comprendo?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yes General Lee, it makes total sense to me. From previous companies I know what you are saying. Without a contract work rules are gone and they can and will beat you up ... you don't like it, they show you the door.

Yes General Lee, if the contract gets thrown out, strike! You and the rest have too! Management will have complete power to do anything they wish and will, regardless of what you the pilot have to say.

I support you General and all that strike. I WILL HONOR YOUR PICKET LINE!

RJ

Thank you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[maru657]

Good luck with this,,,But there's a lot of us who remember Delta saddling ALPA with Hank Duffy during the 80's.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

We are in an era of Brinksmanship in management-labor relations.

Each side, in negotiations, has to have a plausible hammer to gain any ground (or stop losing everything)

Do I think a strike could happen?? YES

We should all think strike is a possibility as it will help EVERYONE working in the industry.


When you take the traveling and make it not pay off, people go back to bumming in the reserves, mortgage brokering, government employee or almost anything to escape the uncertainty. Look at the bonuses they have to pay for managers to come over/stay because the company is in dire straits. The guys I know who don't want to leave aviation at Delta are the one's coming over SWA and going to FDX.

I was always unsure if that "Holding the Line" mantra was a truism or BS post '90s, but I believe it this time.


God Bless you guys/gals at Delta. I pray and believe it will turn out well.

 

[SplitBar]

Sounds good, excpet everything they want is VERY IMPORTANT. What would you do? ALPA said we aren't flying without a contract, or without importatnt protections. If it weren't so bad, why have we started the strike talk and opened the strike center, with a strike vote pending? Sounds like it is important, and the things they are demanding are way over the top. We won't allow it. Comprendo?


Bye Bye--General Lee

I hear ya General. A lot of what is on the term sheet is over the top. Same thing going on at NWA and Mesaba. I only wanted to clarify that the entire contract isn't simply thrown out where mgmt can just start disregarding the CBA and making up rules as they go along. That is where you were wrong. Only what is on the mgnt term sheet is imposed while the rest of your CBA remains in full force.

 

[heph224]

I support Delta pilots 100 percent. If your going to go out, go out fighting.

 

[General Lee]

I hear ya General. A lot of what is on the term sheet is over the top. Same thing going on at NWA and Mesaba. I only wanted to clarify that the entire contract isn't simply thrown out where mgmt can just start disregarding the CBA and making up rules as they go along. That is where you were wrong. Only what is on the mgnt term sheet is imposed while the rest of your CBA remains in full force.

You are probably right. And, they do want everything that is good, and we won't allow that. Thanks for the clarification.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

General, again, the entire contract isn't thrown out. It doesn't become a free for all for mgmt to do whatever they want and throw away the seniority list. ONLY what was on mgmt's final term sheet is imposed by the BK Judge.

Unfortunately that is not true. An 1113 motion is not a motion to amend a CBA, it is a motion to reject a CBA. Once the contract is rejected, it no longer exists, and you become a non contract employee.

 

[catIIIc]

General,
you may still loose everything in arbitration. No matter who ALPA picks to be an arbritratior it is still a wild card and I would guess that what ever you get will be worse then what you could have negotiated. Look what happened to the Alaska guys. Good luck with everything because what happens to you will trickle down to the rest of us

 

[joekrish]

Hello to all;

This is my first post although, I have followed many threads especially "the General"s "...I am an 18 yr Delatoid...I will strike...why...certainly the 1113 is a big issue. Most of the pilots I talk to also feel the senior management is incompetent!!! Months ago a CNBC "talking head" asked Herb Kelleher about the Delta situation, he wouldn't comment simply because he was fully aware just how lousy a job mangement has done. Enough said, I will stike.

 

[Eagleflip]

Guys, listen to yourself..."if you go out, go out fighting!"... This is critical stuff Delta is coping with, not worthy of a cliche ridden cheerleading section.

And General, I'm looking for clarification. You earlier stated "...Those are all VERY important, and I am willing to sink this thing over SCOPE alone." By 'sink this thing,' do you mean allow Delta to enter Chapter 7?

If so, does this means that you are willing (via potential cause and effect) to allow Delta to liquidate due to a strike? I simply want to understand your context here.

So--and again I'm just trying to understand your logic, not throw stones--that means that you are willing to cause Delta to cease operations because of the implied actions managment could take if the contract is abrogated, scope included.

So---everyone is out of a job, simply because of an implied--and thus far non-articulated--threat to change the scope rules? Even if everything else in your current contract were to be maintained?

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

I hear ya General. A lot of what is on the term sheet is over the top. Same thing going on at NWA and Mesaba. I only wanted to clarify that the entire contract isn't simply thrown out where mgmt can just start disregarding the CBA and making up rules as they go along. That is where you were wrong. Only what is on the mgnt term sheet is imposed while the rest of your CBA remains in full force.

This is completely incorrect. The 1113 granted motion allows management to impose whatever conditions they deem appropriate.

 

[General Lee]

General,
you may still loose everything in arbitration. No matter who ALPA picks to be an arbritratior it is still a wild card and I would guess that what ever you get will be worse then what you could have negotiated. Look what happened to the Alaska guys. Good luck with everything because what happens to you will trickle down to the rest of us

In arbitration they can only vote yes or no on the 1113c process, yet we have it in writing that we can still strike. This is NOT binding arbitration.


Bye Bye--General Lee