Why the RJDC is sooo nervous

[General Lee]

Drunkirishman,


I think the longest MD-88 route is ATL-TUS, and there are only two of those a day. If you were in First Class, you wouldn't have those concerns. The First Class Cabin is great on the MD-88, and that is what businessmen want--the CHOICE.


RJflyer,

That is not really the case---you need to re-read the article. It is all right there in front of you--the businessmen and their complaints. Those are the people that really are wanted, since they buy last minute fares that are more expensive. Grandma may not care, but rich Grandpa does!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[chperplt]

If passengers will always go out of their way to avoid an RJ, why is it that all the frequency flights we do are always full? JFK-CVG is always above 90% loads when their are plenty of 757s and 767s flying that route.

The few times I've had to DH on mainline out of JFK, the flights are never close to being full. I would think that those 300+ RJ seats per day on that route would go empty while the bigger equipment fills up... Not the case though.. Why is that?

 

[FN FAL]

For those of you who want to complain about rj's not being the right equipment for a route I would remind you that the customers can vote with their feet. It seems as though they are still flying with DL. Until that changes, there is no legitimacy to the rj being too small.

I don't vote with my feet, I vote with my wallet. As long as NWA competes in price with regional jets for MKE to RIC, I'll spend my money on NWA to ride in the DC-9 over an RJ anyday...even if it means doing a change in DET.

 

[chperplt]

It is all right there in front of you--the businessmen and their complaints. Those are the people that really are wanted, since they buy last minute fares that are more expensive. Grandma may not care, but rich Grandpa does

That's the thought process that's going to kill you. The last minute business traveler is GONE. You can thank high speed internet with video conferencing for that.

You need to cater to Grandma now.. Your first class fares aren't going to provide for you any longer.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

General,
I predicited a while ago that managment was not be happy until regional and mainline payscales were the same. Well.... it looks like your pay is moving closer to my end of the scale than my pay moving closer to your end of the scale. When your pay is close enough to mine, managment will not only allow you to fly RJs, but will likely require it, but only after gutting your work rule's to match our's. You seem to take any opportunity to swing at the RJ/regional community without realizing you are the reason that the "problem" is there. Wake up, how much more evidence do you need to convince you.
Support your fellow pilot, drag them up the pay scale and remove any incentive for managment to send your flying to the lowest bidder instead of the most appropriate airframe.
Go ahead swing away, and keep swinging with that old blindfold in place.
PBR

 

[General Lee]

Chperplt,


I have flown those flight to JFK from CVG, and mainly they are positioning flights that will continue on to Greece, Turkey, etc.. and those flights are full out of JFK. It's great when you ask the stews for water and they give you a bottle of Greek water straight from Athens---it tastes goooooood.

Delta often flies those planes from Europe to JFK and onto LAX or SFO, and they then return thru CVG and back to JFK and beyond. It's all goooood. The passengers also get to sample the great 767ER Business Elite Class---with the huge First Class seats.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Thedude]

Whould all this be going on if we all still flew turbo props? People HATED the Brasilia, but it was a connecting airplane. It never tried to be anything but that. Just because the RJ can go 3-4 hrs doesn't mean it should. I fly it and I wouldn't want to sit in the back of that thing that long. I flew the Brasilia before that and watched people's faces when they got on. Longing to be on one of those "jets". Now I'm on the RJ and have seen people look at the RJ the same way.
Its all about the preception that people have. They would rather be on a 30 year old 737 than a 2 year old RJ. They don't know the difference. They see small and think its bad.
That e170/190 will kick some ass. Doesn't look small to the pax.

Look mommie....there is another one that has seen the light and understands. The e170/190 ...or which ever one that Jet Blue is getting is about 3 ft shorter than the A320. Kinda looks like a 737 that was left in the dryer a little to long.

 

[wms]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shamrock
Why do people soooo want to blame the DFW closure on the RJ?

Because they don't want to accept the fact that mainline failed in DFW which is the real reason DFW is closing.

100% correct (Delta failed in DFW, thus the closure of the hub) . Delta failed inpart to a flawed strategy on the deployment of the RJ. Delta wanted to see how far they could go with the RJ and used DFW as a test bed, it failed.

From the notice given to us at DFW in the closure statement:

DFW has always lost money for DAL. DAL lost 900 million dollars in DFW since 2001. From the beginning of 2001 to APR 2003 it was primarily a ML operation losing money. In April 2003 DAL shifted it to an RJ operation to try to save it and it still lost money.

The reasons given for the loss is that DAL could not gain enough market share, or operate with a low enough cost structure to compete against AA. Whether the operation was ML or RJ made no difference, DAL could not compete in DFW against AA.

So we can stop pointing fingers and do away with the mine is better than yours rhetoric.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I had a guy the other day who walked down the jetway, saw the size of the RJ, said "no way!" and turned around and got off.

I'm more than a little nervous that my airline (FlyI) is staking it's short-term future on these microjets with their CASM. I don't enjoy flying them. I bid the first Airbus FO class I could hold. I thank God I have the option to do that -- I consider it a stroke of dumb luck that is worth any loss of job security that comes with my airline's transformation.

The RJ cockpits are ergonomic, though.

 

[Heavy Set]

I had a guy the other day who walked down the jetway, saw the size of the RJ, said "no way!" and turned around and got off.

I'm more than a little nervous that my airline (FlyI) is staking it's short-term future on these microjets with their CASM. I don't enjoy flying them. I bid the first Airbus FO class I could hold. I thank God I have the option to do that -- I consider it a stroke of dumb luck that is worth any loss of job security that comes with my airline's transformation.

The RJ cockpits are ergonomic, though.

I appreciate your candor. Most RJ pilots wouldn't admit what you said. I, too, have seen a number of passengers blanche when they boarded an RJ - especially the ERJ because of its very narrow cabin. Let's just admit that many passengers have a fear of small airplanes regardless of whether they are jets or props - small is the operative word. When passengers have a choice of SWA 737s, AirTran 717s or even upcoming JetBlue E190s, I think they might choose the larger aircraft if they know any better...

And I think the airlines are recognizing this too and the emphasis on 50-seat RJs is declining - even Grinstein has talked about his dislike for RJs and their discomfort for passengers on longer trips.

 

[General Lee]

Heavy,


But, passengers used to props love seeing RJs on their ramps. I think there will be a place for 50 seat RJs---flying mainly to places without LCC service that can't support a larger aircraft. I still think they are a great alternative to a prop.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Afixedwing]

I know it makes many feel better to play the victim, but we are not all out to "get you rj guys".

If you didn't have any problem with "us rj guys" then why are you spending your time here in the "regionals" boards trying to pick a fight?

We just fly the routs that we're assigned, none of us are involved with the market planning dept.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I had a guy the other day who walked down the jetway, saw the size of the RJ, said "no way!" and turned around and got off.

I'm more than a little nervous that my airline (FlyI) is staking it's short-term future on these microjets with their CASM. I don't enjoy flying them. I bid the first Airbus FO class I could hold. I thank God I have the option to do that -- I consider it a stroke of dumb luck that is worth any loss of job security that comes with my airline's transformation.

The RJ cockpits are ergonomic, though.

That's too funny.........

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I had a guy the other day who walked down the jetway, saw the size of the RJ, said "no way!" and turned around and got off.

I'm more than a little nervous that my airline (FlyI) is staking it's short-term future on these microjets with their CASM. I don't enjoy flying them. I bid the first Airbus FO class I could hold. I thank God I have the option to do that -- I consider it a stroke of dumb luck that is worth any loss of job security that comes with my airline's transformation.

The RJ cockpits are ergonomic, though.

That's too funny......

 

[spinproof]

Hey "afixedwing" NYR,The"Snake rider"and the rest are closet regional groupies. Yes it's true!!! Secretly skulking these pages in need of a kind word and encouragement from their peers......ASA pilots!

...by-the-way WHY is the RJDC sooo nervous....???? The suspense is madding......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

But, passengers used to props love seeing RJs on their ramps. I think there will be a place for 50 seat RJs---flying mainly to places without LCC service that can't support a larger aircraft. I still think they are a great alternative to a prop.



General,
Not all pax complain about props. MANY time I have passengers tell me the ATR is much less claustrophobic than the RJ. The cabin is wider and taller. Props? Yeah, big deal. I have never had a passenger turn around and walk off. Every passenger has their own ideas and opinions about flying in whatever airplane that is at the gate. Myself, I would rather be in an RJ for a 1, maybe 2 hr flight than be in 45A or F on a 757...been there several times.
This thing can be beat to death for the next thousand years. Some people will ALWAYS complain about ANYTHING...middle seat, little plane, props, no food, rude employees, cnx'ed flights, hard landings, (sorry, but HEY the last one was sweet!!)
It will not be like it was in the 707 or DC-8 days anymore...passengers were courteous, thankful, and BEHAVED, and so were the employees!!!

 

[737 Pylt]

On another note, I have noticed a lot of people actually like rj's. They like the fact that they can get out of them faster, and they are quieter than many mainline aircraft.

(insert sarcasm here)Sure, what's not to like about an airplane you can't even board (in most cases) from a jetway. Nothing like walking across a loud tarmac, having your rollerboard taken from you (because it won't fit in the overhead) and walking in the pouring rain or cold and blowing snow!
The rj has its place, and its not on routes like DFW-SNA! I agree with the General!
737

 

[Afixedwing]

(insert sarcasm here)Sure, what's not to like about an airplane you can't even board (in most cases) from a jetway. Nothing like walking across a loud tarmac, having your rollerboard taken from you (because it won't fit in the overhead) and walking in the pouring rain or cold and blowing snow!
The rj has its place, and its not on routes like DFW-SNA! I agree with the General!
737

Get a life. What personality defect possesses you to come to our section of the forums, gloat about the fact that you fly bigger aircraft thane we do, and berate our equipment. We're just trying to make a living and support our families.
You win the pi$$ing contest, now go away.

 

[79%N1]

I have to agree with AFIXEDWING.....

My problem all along with Generall Lee and FDJ is that they troll the "REGIONAL" board, where they dont even work at, and look for threads to jump in on, and in some cases hijack, and knock everything we do! Our airplanes suck, pax hate us, were taking paycuts, our companies are downsizing, we're sharing the pain, we're stealing their flying, we dont support the furloughs!!!!!!!!!!!! It gets sooooo tiring! WE GET IT! We are low rank, second class dirt! We steal flying, we make too much compared to Mesa, and everyone hates flying on us! Cant we just have our own discussions about these things without the Delta guys jumping on???? Isnt there Delta stuff to discuss with all the Delta buddies? I know, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in my opinion they are overkill! Just leave us alone already!

 

[skydiverdriver]

Uh, not using jetways has nothing to do with the aircraft. It has to do with the choices the mainline carrier makes. I heard that Eagle uses jetways at every station they serve. And, people want to get off an airplane quickly, no matter what size they are.