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"Why Pilots Should Make $200,000 aYear" essay thing
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AHH, aren't we so valuable. Supply and demand is the name of the game. The boss demands and we supply. I've watched these salary arguments in other professions and it's amazing how we can pay a school superintendant 200k a year and the governor 50k in some states. Or a buffoon ball player several million...etc.
If you can get it ,go for it.
If you can get it ,go for it.
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Yep, see this all too often.......
--aw shucks ma'am, anyone could do this
--aw shucks, even a monkey could do this
--heck, I love this so much I'd pay to fly
--it ain't hard, just pull some levers, punch some buttons, pull the power and flare
In our self-denigrating attempts to appear humble and cool we've become these idiots -- willing to fly for nothing for the 'love of flying'. Works great in a perfect world, but not in business.
Imagine a Dr, lawyer, mechanic, plumber, etc -- anyone with skills for sale that would say these stupid things. They don't. They guard their skills, price them competitively, and protect them.
It's simple supply and demand. We've got tons of 'pilots' who're willing to prostitute their skills out to the lowest bidder simply because they 'love flying'. They love beating around the sky for a few years until they realize they can't pay their bills, or it's dead end.
From the business side, mgmt loves this. They know they can get min time folks for nothing. When problems occur, they blame the FAA and the pilot because the pilot had his ticket so he/she shoulda been qualified.
Too many have forgotten the sweat and studying and work required to get a ticket. Either that or they got it in daddy's plane, and now wanna run around in their leather jacket and Ray Bans impressing the chicks.
Fugawe
--Confuscious say: "Pilots only impress 2 groups of people, small children and each other."
--aw shucks ma'am, anyone could do this
--aw shucks, even a monkey could do this
--heck, I love this so much I'd pay to fly
--it ain't hard, just pull some levers, punch some buttons, pull the power and flare
In our self-denigrating attempts to appear humble and cool we've become these idiots -- willing to fly for nothing for the 'love of flying'. Works great in a perfect world, but not in business.
Imagine a Dr, lawyer, mechanic, plumber, etc -- anyone with skills for sale that would say these stupid things. They don't. They guard their skills, price them competitively, and protect them.
It's simple supply and demand. We've got tons of 'pilots' who're willing to prostitute their skills out to the lowest bidder simply because they 'love flying'. They love beating around the sky for a few years until they realize they can't pay their bills, or it's dead end.
From the business side, mgmt loves this. They know they can get min time folks for nothing. When problems occur, they blame the FAA and the pilot because the pilot had his ticket so he/she shoulda been qualified.
Too many have forgotten the sweat and studying and work required to get a ticket. Either that or they got it in daddy's plane, and now wanna run around in their leather jacket and Ray Bans impressing the chicks.
Fugawe
--Confuscious say: "Pilots only impress 2 groups of people, small children and each other."
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Oh, yeah!! That'll will win them all over.
Well, no actually all that's going to accomplish is solidly reinforce the public's image of an airline pilot of a greedy, overpaid, arrogant self centered a$$hole.
Hey folks, if you're trying to win people over to your side, perhaps there are better ways to do it than calling them "ignorant" and "whining non-achievers" Ya think?
There really isn't much to admire in this essay. All that chest thumping about military service? Yeah, real impressive. I bet the bit about flying Cobras over the jungles of Vietnam really makes a big impression on the garbageman who was down in those same jungles, on foot, with an M-16 and the certainty of spending the night in the mud with nothing between him and Charlie but a Claymore mine, while the pilot went back to base, had a shower, a beer in the club, and slept in a cot under a roof. OH yeah, he'll be impressed by your need to make $200K !
All that self serving crap about the dangers of airline flying. Oh, please. Airline flying is about as safe as it gets as far as occupational dangers. According to the BLS there are 64,720 airline flight crew in the US (2004, data) that same year there were 3 aircrew fatalities in airline flying. That's 4.6 fatalities per 100,000. That's nothing, dead (no pun intended) average. The nationwide average for all workers is 4.1 fatalities per 100,000. loggers and fishermen have fatality rates 20 times that of airline pilots, construction workers and garbage collectors have fatality rates right around 10 times that of airline pilots. Taxi drivers, truck drivers, delivery drivers, electric linemen, roofers and farmers all have fatality rates more than 5 times higher than airline pilots.
The idea that airline flying is a hazardous profession is not only completely wrong, it's offensive to somone who does work in a dangerous industry. Couple that with the fact that the author dwells on the dangers to the pilots, but conveniently ignores all the passengers who die also when an airliner crashes, one is left with the inescapable concolusion that the author is not only grotesquely ignorant, but so arrogant he places his life and those of his buddies on a higher plane than the lives of the travelling public.
Instead of slinging this piece of drivel around as something pretty cool, we should all hang our heads in embarrasment that our ranks contain such a jack@ss, and those who know him (his name and airline is on one of the links) should give him a vigorous blanket party, because he isn't doing anyone any favors with this cr@p.
Well, no actually all that's going to accomplish is solidly reinforce the public's image of an airline pilot of a greedy, overpaid, arrogant self centered a$$hole.
Hey folks, if you're trying to win people over to your side, perhaps there are better ways to do it than calling them "ignorant" and "whining non-achievers" Ya think?
There really isn't much to admire in this essay. All that chest thumping about military service? Yeah, real impressive. I bet the bit about flying Cobras over the jungles of Vietnam really makes a big impression on the garbageman who was down in those same jungles, on foot, with an M-16 and the certainty of spending the night in the mud with nothing between him and Charlie but a Claymore mine, while the pilot went back to base, had a shower, a beer in the club, and slept in a cot under a roof. OH yeah, he'll be impressed by your need to make $200K !
All that self serving crap about the dangers of airline flying. Oh, please. Airline flying is about as safe as it gets as far as occupational dangers. According to the BLS there are 64,720 airline flight crew in the US (2004, data) that same year there were 3 aircrew fatalities in airline flying. That's 4.6 fatalities per 100,000. That's nothing, dead (no pun intended) average. The nationwide average for all workers is 4.1 fatalities per 100,000. loggers and fishermen have fatality rates 20 times that of airline pilots, construction workers and garbage collectors have fatality rates right around 10 times that of airline pilots. Taxi drivers, truck drivers, delivery drivers, electric linemen, roofers and farmers all have fatality rates more than 5 times higher than airline pilots.
The idea that airline flying is a hazardous profession is not only completely wrong, it's offensive to somone who does work in a dangerous industry. Couple that with the fact that the author dwells on the dangers to the pilots, but conveniently ignores all the passengers who die also when an airliner crashes, one is left with the inescapable concolusion that the author is not only grotesquely ignorant, but so arrogant he places his life and those of his buddies on a higher plane than the lives of the travelling public.
Instead of slinging this piece of drivel around as something pretty cool, we should all hang our heads in embarrasment that our ranks contain such a jack@ss, and those who know him (his name and airline is on one of the links) should give him a vigorous blanket party, because he isn't doing anyone any favors with this cr@p.
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Fugawe said:
Yeah, I remember it very well, and what I remember was that it really wasn't very hard. I also remember getting professional registration in a completely unrelated field. I remember that just to sit for the final registration exam (there was more than one) required a minimum of 4 years of college with a degree in that discipline and 6 years of practice in this field. I remmeber that the exam took 8 hours. I remember that it was a lot harder than my PPL, IR, CPL, FI, FOI, ATP and FE exams all put together. I also remember that you could not buy a book with all the questions and all the answers to that exam.
Becoming a pilot really isn't all that hard.
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