Why not back to the table?

[RJLoser]

When does the vote close?

 

[SoberIrishman]

January 14th at 10am.
Result should be known by next day.

 

[Clutch]

EVERY SINGLE pilot, reserve or otherwise, becomes a ready reserve by default. Add in the little gem of being able to be notified by the janitor of an assignement, and suddenly this thing takes on a life of its own.

And all the while you're making a whopping $1.65/hour.

And on that subject, why is it they think my food and sustenance on a trip costs less than a Delta pilot's (or any of a number of other airlines? Do I pay less than them for a coffee or a sandwhich? I think not.

Extend the inflation game to your per diem. 5 years ago an entree and salad with a drink at Natures Bistro on E cost $8.50. That same meal now will cost you about $11. That's a 30% increase, or 6% per year.

What do you think your per diem will buy you by the time we negotiate a new contract, even 5 years from now?

What do you think your take home pay will buy you at the grocery store, even 5 years from now........ A LOT less than it does now. That I can promise you.

The longevity pay increases are for you to get ahead, not to keep up with inflation....and certainly not so you don't fall quite as far behind

Let me ask you this, what happens to you if you get reassigned now? Do you just go to your house?

 

[twott driver]

That's not the point. No duty rigs allows the company to create long airport sits with no financial liability, and in effect place a line holder on ready reserve. Which is fine with me if I'm getting paid 1 hour for every 2 hours if duty. Not so much fun if all you're getting g for the time sitting is $1.65

 

[Clutch]

My point is who cares how they notify you. If they change your schedule, you aren't just gonna drive to your house because they never got a hold of you. This excludes extensions of course.

 

[pilotyip]

What are you guys talking about? Is there an airline involved in this?

 

[JustaNumber]

What are you guys talking about? Is there an airline involved in this?

You've been here how long? Don't you know by now that this is the unofficial ASA message board?

 

[pilotyip]

You've been here how long? Don't you know by now that this is the unofficial ASA message board?

Oh I'm sorry I thought this was the unofficial Jet Blue union message board

 

[doh]

Excellent points. In fact, without rigs I can see them intentionally (not just randomly) setting up maximum airport appreciation time, as this gives them additional "ready reserve" coverage.

I'm all for being fair and reasonable--I don't need an increase in min day, as I didn't really earn the extra if I just do one leg home in the morning. But duty rigs are completely fair and reasonable, as they prevent the company from retaining us on their property for the potential use of our services without pay. And if the company is smart, they cost the company NOTHING. Rig loss alone is reason to vote NO.

That's exactly what happened at Comair.

 

[doh]

In the case of Comair, they had decided to wind us down long before any concessions. All the concessions did was make us shearer while they closed shop. Don't for one second think they haven't already decided your fate. The vote will not change the plan they have already made.

 

[Clutch]

Difference is we are signing a joint contract to merge 2 companies not winding down 1.

 

[doh]

I thought management has said wind down if you vote no. If that is the case, the wind down decision has already been made.

 

[Clutch]

They said a no vote makes it difficult to avoid a wind down because airplanes are coming off cpa's and we are not bidding on anything else. It's not a bluff and not a lie but a no vote is not an inevitable wind down

 

[JustaNumber]

They said a no vote makes it difficult to avoid a wind down because airplanes are coming off cpa's and we are not bidding on anything else. It's not a bluff and not a lie but a no vote is not an inevitable wind down

And yet they are not claiming that a yes vote will avoid a wind down either.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

The company can worry about fleet size. In the mean time, we shouldn't work for anything less than we have now.