Why not back to the table?

[pilotyip]

What are you guys talking about? Is there an airline involved in this?

 

[JustaNumber]

What are you guys talking about? Is there an airline involved in this?

You've been here how long? Don't you know by now that this is the unofficial ASA message board?

 

[pilotyip]

You've been here how long? Don't you know by now that this is the unofficial ASA message board?

Oh I'm sorry I thought this was the unofficial Jet Blue union message board

 

[doh]

Excellent points. In fact, without rigs I can see them intentionally (not just randomly) setting up maximum airport appreciation time, as this gives them additional "ready reserve" coverage.

I'm all for being fair and reasonable--I don't need an increase in min day, as I didn't really earn the extra if I just do one leg home in the morning. But duty rigs are completely fair and reasonable, as they prevent the company from retaining us on their property for the potential use of our services without pay. And if the company is smart, they cost the company NOTHING. Rig loss alone is reason to vote NO.

That's exactly what happened at Comair.

 

[doh]

In the case of Comair, they had decided to wind us down long before any concessions. All the concessions did was make us shearer while they closed shop. Don't for one second think they haven't already decided your fate. The vote will not change the plan they have already made.

 

[Clutch]

Difference is we are signing a joint contract to merge 2 companies not winding down 1.

 

[doh]

I thought management has said wind down if you vote no. If that is the case, the wind down decision has already been made.

 

[Clutch]

They said a no vote makes it difficult to avoid a wind down because airplanes are coming off cpa's and we are not bidding on anything else. It's not a bluff and not a lie but a no vote is not an inevitable wind down

 

[JustaNumber]

They said a no vote makes it difficult to avoid a wind down because airplanes are coming off cpa's and we are not bidding on anything else. It's not a bluff and not a lie but a no vote is not an inevitable wind down

And yet they are not claiming that a yes vote will avoid a wind down either.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

The company can worry about fleet size. In the mean time, we shouldn't work for anything less than we have now.

 

[wms]

Difference is we are signing a joint contract to merge 2 companies not winding down 1.

The companies are already merged and the deal is closed, there is no going back on that. This is supposed to put us under one contract, which in my opinion falls short since there are different conditions for each side in some sections.

In the conference call bh said many times there was no guarantee a yea vote would change the future of the company. I also don't think they are being honest when they say they won't bid on cpas if the vote is no. They've bid on cpas this last three years with no jcba.

As far as comair, we are a different animal. Comair was a small portion of dal, and dal redistributed the leases on those planes without suffering losses. Xjt is the largest portion of Skyw inc and would have a huge effect on the corp as well as JAs personal wealth.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

During the pilot call-in session last week, a pilot asked Mr. Charles Tutt what would happen if the TA was voted down. He responded by saying "we would have an interest in getting together with the JNBC rather quickly to get the issues resolved". Management isn't stupid. Our pilot group shouldn't be stupid either. The JNBC is engaging in more fear tactics than the company. This TA is a huge embarrassment for them. They should have asked our opinion earlier in the process. They could have avoided this mess. Let's send this TA back and get these issues resolved; Mr. Charles Tutt is willing to do so.

 

[wms]

^^^^^^^ yup

 

[Tarzan]

During the pilot call-in session last week, a pilot asked Mr. Charles Tutt what would happen if the TA was voted down. He responded by saying "we would have an interest in getting together with the JNBC rather quickly to get the issues resolved". Management isn't stupid. Our pilot group shouldn't be stupid either. The JNBC is engaging in more fear tactics than the company. This TA is a huge embarrassment for them. They should have asked our opinion earlier in the process. They could have avoided this mess. Let's send this TA back and get these issues resolved; Mr. Charles Tutt is willing to do so.

Don't recall that answer to any question.

 

[Clutch]

Because he never said it

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Pull the tapes

 

[Clutch]

"If we can't agree to this we'll just have to go back to the table and see what else we can give the pilots to make 'em happy"

RRRrrrrright

Listened to the whole thing once already. Not gonna do it again.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

December 16th, between 6:45 pm and 7:15 pm Eastern Time Zone, USA

 

[Mickey Mouse]

How ironic it all is. I have more faith in Mr. Charles Tutt and Mr. Bradley Holt than I do in the JNBC. Mr. Charles Tutt and Mr. Bradley Holt probably planned it this way. Rats! Foiled again!