why is mesa trying to hire 200 next month

[Detroitpilot22]

according to Airlineapps.com Mesa wants to hire 200 pilots next month. First of all, how could they even possibly do this. Second, why? Are they really that short or is it for there Hawaii thing.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Where are they gonna find 200 clowns? A state hospital?

 

[FN FAL]

according to Airlineapps.com Mesa wants to hire 200 pilots next month. First of all, how could they even possibly do this. Second, why? Are they really that short or is it for there Hawaii thing.

Every silver lining has a gray cloud.

 

[SharkBait]

according to Airlineapps.com Mesa wants to hire 200 pilots next month. First of all, how could they even possibly do this. Second, why? Are they really that short or is it for there Hawaii thing.

Yes, they are really that short, and no, I don't believe its possible to run that many through the training department. The Hawaii thing only has a few crews dedicated to it, but I would expect it to become more than that. With the high attrition rate, they are falling behind very quickly. I'll leave it at that.


P.S. - Speaking of attrition from Mesa, would any CS folks have any pointers for getting noticed?

 

[MarineGrunt]

Unless they drop their mins to about 250tt (for everyone not just the PFTers) then they will come nowhere close to that number. Look forward to seeing Mesa lose some flying in the future - looks like their growing a bit too big for their britches and will have a lot MORE cancelled flights due to crews in the future and likely, unhappy mainline customers....

 

[ReverseSensing]

Perhaps JO will discover that unintended consequences are a bitch.

Screw your workers, workers go elsewhere. Screw your workers, word gets out. Word gets out, Mesa becomes job offer of last resort only. When your airline gains an infamous reputation, recruiting, hiring, and training can't keep up. When you don't have enough pilots (due to all the above), you end up screwing your workers harder, and the cycle continues.

But then again, it may all be part of JO's plan to keep seniority low and keep as many as possible on the bottom of the payscale. Brilliant!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Is mesa giving higher pay to people who are working in HNL or are they making the same rates as the mainland? I couldn't imagine any employee being able to do the Go! airlines thing for more than a few months if they are not recieving premium pay.

 

[ilkwamh2]

Question for the Mesa pilots...when you guys do standups(Continuous duty trips), do you get a hotel room? I've heard that they make you sleep on the airplanes, but not sure if that's completely true. Can you clarify?

 

[Wiggums]

Where are they gonna find 200 clowns? A state hospital?

They visited most of the flight schools around Phoenix and hired a bunch of instructors.

 

[bustinmins]

Question for the Mesa pilots...when you guys do standups(Continuous duty trips), do you get a hotel room? I've heard that they make you sleep on the airplanes, but not sure if that's completely true. Can you clarify?

I have slept on the airplane during a stand-up but it wasn't scheduled that way. Hotels were on my schedule. In my situation, we arrived late due to weather and thus I was looking at reduced nap time. I slept in the aircraft to get more sleep. However, there have been some trips that were planned with a 3 hour layover in some place like BIL. The terminal shut down and everyone went home except the crews. They stayed on the plane. I have heard of this happening with our PHX crews. I haven't heard about it from any other domicile. The BIL trip that I heard about had a failed APU in the winter. No Hotel etc. It wasn't pretty. I believe the union crawled all over them for this and they have removed these types of pairings. I could be wrong - I am ORD based these days.

The good news is that Mesa is learning that abuse of your crews does equal recruiting issues. I know the Mesa pilots are tired of the abuse but at present have tied hands. We stand ready for an improved quality of life and sooner or later - MGT will get the big picture. No One Wants To Work Here!

 

[scar1900]

A big factor for Mesa hiring is its new Dash-8 operation for Delta.

 

[a_cardboardbox]

yep, and some of those new dash guys/gals are from the wholly-owned dash operators. FOs who would otherwise be years upgrading where they're at, come straight to the left seat at mesa.

 

[storminpilot]

according to Airlineapps.com Mesa wants to hire 200 pilots next month. First of all, how could they even possibly do this. Second, why? Are they really that short or is it for there Hawaii thing.

Think about it.:smash:

http://www.newsone.ca/ottawarecorder/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=196329

They are getting ready to move in and fill the void.

 

[khsgt]

Too much flying and not enough pilots...or airplanes for that matter. They are TDY'ing ERJ's to JFK to cover dash flying that we don't even have airplanes for yet... This is going to get very very entertaining...

 

[Krapflier]

Mesa getting 200 pilots through Dash 8 training in the next two years would be a miracle. Not to long ago Mesa's Dash 8 classes had a 75% failure rate, highest in the industry. Any one that whats that Street PIC on the Dash better bring it.

 

[joepilot29]

Pilot754,

Just curious. What was your lead time from submitting an app to getting the interview. I have two recomendations from two current FO's. Starting to get frustrated with instructing ready to move on. Have five out of 10 students all learning landings right now. Averaging 50 some trips in the pattern per day. Plus the thermometer stays peg on about 100F in the cockpit.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Pilot754,

Just curious. What was your lead time from submitting an app to getting the interview. I have two recomendations from two current FO's. Starting to get frustrated with instructing ready to move on. Have five out of 10 students all learning landings right now. Averaging 50 some trips in the pattern per day. Plus the thermometer stays peg on about 100F in the cockpit.

Oh, never mind.

 

[C425Driver]

Mesa did something like this several years ago (97-98). They hired over 100 pilots in a short period of time. It was no problem putting them all through ground school but there was a huge bottleneck in flight training so many of them were furloughed while they waited to start flight training.

 

[goahead]

It's agaginst TSA regulations to sleep in an A/c parked at a gate overnight. It they towed you to and FBO then that's fine but not on the airline ramp.

 

[Soverytired]

I have slept on the airplane during a stand-up but it wasn't scheduled that way. Hotels were on my schedule. In my situation, we arrived late due to weather and thus I was looking at reduced nap time. I slept in the aircraft to get more sleep. However, there have been some trips that were planned with a 3 hour layover in some place like BIL. The terminal shut down and everyone went home except the crews. They stayed on the plane. I have heard of this happening with our PHX crews. I haven't heard about it from any other domicile. The BIL trip that I heard about had a failed APU in the winter. No Hotel etc. It wasn't pretty. I believe the union crawled all over them for this and they have removed these types of pairings. I could be wrong - I am ORD based these days.

The good news is that Mesa is learning that abuse of your crews does equal recruiting issues. I know the Mesa pilots are tired of the abuse but at present have tied hands. We stand ready for an improved quality of life and sooner or later - MGT will get the big picture. No One Wants To Work Here!

Oh no . . .these "camping trips" are very, very much alive and well in the PHX system. Anything under 4 hours and you don't get a hotel. And yeah, the typical trip is scheduled to start at 1800 and duty off around 0700, 4 legs is the standard, with the 2-4 hour sit after the third leg.

Well, that acutally changed recently; now 2-4 hours gets you a hotel, but since you have to show 45 min prior to departure, go through security, ride to/from the hotel, it's not very practical. 30 minutes in the hotel, or 3 hours in the back of the airplane? . . . the choice seems obvious.

Actually, even THESE trips wouldn't be too bad, if they just kept all the "camping trips" on a single awarded line. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon to have a day shift, a couple of camping trips, then a regualr night shift (off by 0200). Pretty brutal, if you ask me. I avoid these lines like the plague.

 

[Soverytired]

It's agaginst TSA regulations to sleep in an A/c parked at a gate overnight. It they towed you to and FBO then that's fine but not on the airline ramp.

Really? Ugh! This SUCKS, if true.

Can you point me to an actual regulation? It would be nice to have . . . .

Might explain the recent change in company policy for 2-4 hour sits and hotels. Most of the podunk airports have airport security go home after we get in, so sleeping in the terminal isn't an option.

 

[Soverytired]

Is mesa giving higher pay to people who are working in HNL or are they making the same rates as the mainland? I couldn't imagine any employee being able to do the Go! airlines thing for more than a few months if they are not recieving premium pay.

HAH!

Same rates.

I can't imagine flying overthere either, and believe me, I tried to justify it. (couldn't, too expensive) Most of the pilots/fa's going out there either have working spouses or friends/family in the area.