why is FDX posting pilot jobs?

[Sgt. Hartman]

I agree with what F18-FDX said. I'm not military bashing here. In fact, I have alot of respect for what you guys do and I'd probablly be right there along with you if everything fell into place correctly for me but that's another story for another time (and no, I didn't fail out of training). There are bad pilots from every background in all walks of life both civ and mil. Some slip through the cracks in both instances. Granted there are less who have fallen through the cracks coming from the mil but they are still out there. There are also some great civillian pilots who are great at what they do regardless of the fact that they have never flown an f15, 16, 18, or c130. To call someone a great pilot just because they fly a fighter and call a person who flys a 172 "not as good" is just B/S.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

I agree with what F18-FDX said. I'm not military bashing here. In fact, I have alot of respect for what you guys do and I'd probablly be right there along with you if everything fell into place correctly for me but that's another story for another time (and no, I didn't fail out of training). There are bad pilots from every background in all walks of life both civ and mil. Some slip through the cracks in both instances. Granted there are less who have fallen through the cracks coming from the mil but they are still out there. There are also some great civillian pilots who are great at what they do regardless of the fact that they have never flown an f15, 16, 18, or c130. To call someone a great pilot just because they fly a fighter and call a person who flys a 172 "not as good" is just B/S.

I disagree with your opinion but respect it. If I was hiring I would select those proven in combat whether it is a C-17 pilot flying into Baghdad or a bombdropping fighter pilot over some guy with 3000 hours flying RJs from Des Moines and Chicago. No slam on the civilian guy because i know how hard they work to gain experience. But anyone who has safely flown an airplane under fire has earned a chance to interview at an airline.

 

[satpak77]

ok back on topic now...

 

[CDogg]

I'd have to agree with the EEOC as the explanation, that and the personel from HR probably weren't too happy with their Christmas bonus and want to start making more money earlier on in the year??

 

[b757driver]

There are many of us 100% civs on property. I don't have any idea of the percentage, however the I can't get hired because I'm not military thing is not true.

You still need the insider buds.....rated but not related!!!! B.S.!!!

 

[b757driver]

Why the hell not!!?? After spending a better part of the last 15 years living and flying out of the cesspool that is the middle east the mil guys deserve a piece of the pie. The fact that we network so well due to non-homosexual male bonding during combat serves us well during job searches.

Oh yeah, how about all of our experience being in multiengine jets and in either heavy of fighter aircraft as opposed to C-172s.

Civilian trained pilots deserve everything they can get. I am not disparaging them. But how can anyone object to airlines hiring military trained pilots?

I think it's not so much people objecting to airlines hiring military trained pilots but all about the discriminating against non-military aviators and not knowing a soul at FEDEX that AUTOMATICALLY disqualifes you. Yeah, real equal opportunity!

 

[b757driver]

Nobody is saying it makes you a better pilot (well, ok maybe some guys are). Just kidding.

The bottom line is that if you make it through military flight training without getting $hitcanned, then make it through heavy/jet training without getting $hitcanned, and make it through one or more tours without getting $hitcanned...you may not be the ace of the base but a betting man would say, ok this guy aint THAT bad a pilot.

What does that mean to a company who's looking to hire? The guy or gal's a KNOWN QUANTITY. He's been through a challenge or two and has succeeded. The company has a pretty good idea of what they're getting. Can't say that about every resume.

And who is to say that there is NO civilian counterpart to your story? How do you KNOW that the civilian pilot sitting next to you has not been through hoops in his previous life etc. You are assuming an awful lot here!
Treat your fellow man as an equal. Holier tha thou attitudes never won friends......

 

[F18-FDX]

And who is to say that there is NO civilian counterpart to your story? How do you KNOW that the civilian pilot sitting next to you has not been through hoops in his previous life etc. You are assuming an awful lot here!
Treat your fellow man as an equal. Holier tha thou attitudes never won friends......

I'm not saying there is no civilian counterpart and I'm not assuming anything about anybody, re-read my post. I'm simply stating that from a company's perspective, they pretty much know what they are getting when they hire a military pilot. Not quite sure how you get a holier than thou attitude out of that.

 

[satpak77]

ok back on topic now...

BACK on topic people.....this not a civilain versus MIL thread

 

[RightTraffic]

You served your country, you earned it....thats my opinion!

 

[Flash]

If you saw the posting on climbto350 or skyjobs I believe they just rehash old postings from the past to make it look like they have the scoop on the good jobs.

 

[Publishers]

First, $ 500,000 probably does not cover the salaries let alone the HR cost so it is no money maker. If they breakeven on just the crew aspect from having to handle unsolicited resumes and letters, that might start to cover it.

Secondly, they have an obligation as a big public company to post the work even if they have 1,000,000 resumes already.

 

[stupidpilot]

I disagree with your opinion but respect it. If I was hiring I would select those proven in combat whether it is a C-17 pilot flying into Baghdad or a bombdropping fighter pilot over some guy with 3000 hours flying RJs from Des Moines and Chicago. No slam on the civilian guy because i know how hard they work to gain experience. But anyone who has safely flown an airplane under fire has earned a chance to interview at an airline.

I've done both military and civilian flying. There are good pilots in both. Although I do think it's ridiculous to hire a military guy with 2000 hours or less thinking that he is as good as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours. It doesn't matter where you've flown or in what conditions. Sometimes there is just no substitute for hours spent in the air. Flying tactically has nothing to do with flying boxes. Oh, and by the way our Air Force has had no real challenge from ADA after the first day of Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom. So don't give me that dangerous flying crap! I flew to Baghdad many times. The most nervous I got is how pissed off the kids would get when we ran out of candy to give them!

 

[b757driver]

I've done both military and civilian flying. There are good pilots in both. Although I do think it's ridiculous to hire a military guy with 2000 hours or less thinking that he is as good as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours. It doesn't matter where you've flown or in what conditions. Sometimes there is just no substitute for hours spent in the air. Flying tactically has nothing to do with flying boxes. Oh, and by the way our Air Force has had no real challenge from ADA after the first day of Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom. So don't give me that dangerous flying crap! I flew to Baghdad many times. The most nervous I got is how pissed off the kids would get when we ran out of candy to give them!

Hey, Stupid (you really need to change your name!!),

One of the best posts I've read in a long time!

To simply hire a pilot based on the number of combat missions he/she has undertaken is extremely short-sighted. Civilian flying, like you say, is nothing like combat or indeed, any other type of military mission. With that kind of mindset, no wonder people get so riled up!

It´s nothing more than a good old boys´club, pure and simple. What on earth happened to the so-called diversity that various airlines tout? What about a good mix of both civilian and military, like 50-50? I've seen it work real well in several companies I have been in the past.

And in case anyone is wondering or questioning my background, I did my military time in the 80s (but not as an aviator) and have worked for both Part 121 operators in the US as well as for a number of foreign carriers. So, I too, have seen a bit of the world most have not......

 

[Purpledog]

I swore not to respond do this mil vs. civ BS anymore but I can't help it.

as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours

= autopilot 5000 hrs, pilot 1000 maybe.

2000 hr fighter guy = about 2000 hand flown sorties. Oh, and by the way, we do the exact same thing you great civvies do, takeoff & land. However, we also do a bunch of hard stuff in between. If you want to compare the two to each other compare the number of landings you flew at the controls.

FedEx interviews the most qualified candidates, 'nuf said. Incidently my interview group was 50/50 mil/civ. One civvie didn't make it b/c he showed up looking like Jimmy Buffet going to a luau and blew thru an altitude by 500' on the sim. Just my speculation on why he didn't get invited to the show.