why is FDX posting pilot jobs?

[b757driver]

Why the hell not!!?? After spending a better part of the last 15 years living and flying out of the cesspool that is the middle east the mil guys deserve a piece of the pie. The fact that we network so well due to non-homosexual male bonding during combat serves us well during job searches.

Oh yeah, how about all of our experience being in multiengine jets and in either heavy of fighter aircraft as opposed to C-172s.

Civilian trained pilots deserve everything they can get. I am not disparaging them. But how can anyone object to airlines hiring military trained pilots?

I think it's not so much people objecting to airlines hiring military trained pilots but all about the discriminating against non-military aviators and not knowing a soul at FEDEX that AUTOMATICALLY disqualifes you. Yeah, real equal opportunity!

 

[b757driver]

Nobody is saying it makes you a better pilot (well, ok maybe some guys are). Just kidding.

The bottom line is that if you make it through military flight training without getting $hitcanned, then make it through heavy/jet training without getting $hitcanned, and make it through one or more tours without getting $hitcanned...you may not be the ace of the base but a betting man would say, ok this guy aint THAT bad a pilot.

What does that mean to a company who's looking to hire? The guy or gal's a KNOWN QUANTITY. He's been through a challenge or two and has succeeded. The company has a pretty good idea of what they're getting. Can't say that about every resume.

And who is to say that there is NO civilian counterpart to your story? How do you KNOW that the civilian pilot sitting next to you has not been through hoops in his previous life etc. You are assuming an awful lot here!
Treat your fellow man as an equal. Holier tha thou attitudes never won friends......

 

[F18-FDX]

And who is to say that there is NO civilian counterpart to your story? How do you KNOW that the civilian pilot sitting next to you has not been through hoops in his previous life etc. You are assuming an awful lot here!
Treat your fellow man as an equal. Holier tha thou attitudes never won friends......

I'm not saying there is no civilian counterpart and I'm not assuming anything about anybody, re-read my post. I'm simply stating that from a company's perspective, they pretty much know what they are getting when they hire a military pilot. Not quite sure how you get a holier than thou attitude out of that.

 

[satpak77]

ok back on topic now...

BACK on topic people.....this not a civilain versus MIL thread

 

[RightTraffic]

You served your country, you earned it....thats my opinion!

 

[Flash]

If you saw the posting on climbto350 or skyjobs I believe they just rehash old postings from the past to make it look like they have the scoop on the good jobs.

 

[Publishers]

First, $ 500,000 probably does not cover the salaries let alone the HR cost so it is no money maker. If they breakeven on just the crew aspect from having to handle unsolicited resumes and letters, that might start to cover it.

Secondly, they have an obligation as a big public company to post the work even if they have 1,000,000 resumes already.

 

[stupidpilot]

I disagree with your opinion but respect it. If I was hiring I would select those proven in combat whether it is a C-17 pilot flying into Baghdad or a bombdropping fighter pilot over some guy with 3000 hours flying RJs from Des Moines and Chicago. No slam on the civilian guy because i know how hard they work to gain experience. But anyone who has safely flown an airplane under fire has earned a chance to interview at an airline.

I've done both military and civilian flying. There are good pilots in both. Although I do think it's ridiculous to hire a military guy with 2000 hours or less thinking that he is as good as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours. It doesn't matter where you've flown or in what conditions. Sometimes there is just no substitute for hours spent in the air. Flying tactically has nothing to do with flying boxes. Oh, and by the way our Air Force has had no real challenge from ADA after the first day of Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom. So don't give me that dangerous flying crap! I flew to Baghdad many times. The most nervous I got is how pissed off the kids would get when we ran out of candy to give them!

 

[b757driver]

I've done both military and civilian flying. There are good pilots in both. Although I do think it's ridiculous to hire a military guy with 2000 hours or less thinking that he is as good as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours. It doesn't matter where you've flown or in what conditions. Sometimes there is just no substitute for hours spent in the air. Flying tactically has nothing to do with flying boxes. Oh, and by the way our Air Force has had no real challenge from ADA after the first day of Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom. So don't give me that dangerous flying crap! I flew to Baghdad many times. The most nervous I got is how pissed off the kids would get when we ran out of candy to give them!

Hey, Stupid (you really need to change your name!!),

One of the best posts I've read in a long time!

To simply hire a pilot based on the number of combat missions he/she has undertaken is extremely short-sighted. Civilian flying, like you say, is nothing like combat or indeed, any other type of military mission. With that kind of mindset, no wonder people get so riled up!

It´s nothing more than a good old boys´club, pure and simple. What on earth happened to the so-called diversity that various airlines tout? What about a good mix of both civilian and military, like 50-50? I've seen it work real well in several companies I have been in the past.

And in case anyone is wondering or questioning my background, I did my military time in the 80s (but not as an aviator) and have worked for both Part 121 operators in the US as well as for a number of foreign carriers. So, I too, have seen a bit of the world most have not......

 

[Purpledog]

I swore not to respond do this mil vs. civ BS anymore but I can't help it.

as a civilian guy that has 6000+ hours

= autopilot 5000 hrs, pilot 1000 maybe.

2000 hr fighter guy = about 2000 hand flown sorties. Oh, and by the way, we do the exact same thing you great civvies do, takeoff & land. However, we also do a bunch of hard stuff in between. If you want to compare the two to each other compare the number of landings you flew at the controls.

FedEx interviews the most qualified candidates, 'nuf said. Incidently my interview group was 50/50 mil/civ. One civvie didn't make it b/c he showed up looking like Jimmy Buffet going to a luau and blew thru an altitude by 500' on the sim. Just my speculation on why he didn't get invited to the show.

 

[uscpilot]

I swore not to respond do this mil vs. civ BS anymore but I can't help it.


= autopilot 5000 hrs, pilot 1000 maybe.

2000 hr fighter guy = about 2000 hand flown sorties. Oh, and by the way, we do the exact same thing you great civvies do, takeoff & land. However, we also do a bunch of hard stuff in between. If you want to compare the two to each other compare the number of landings you flew at the controls.

What is your point? Military guys dont use autopilots? Give me a break. I would wager my salary that civilian pilots (dont know about military) especilly those with less than 5000 hrs have the majority of their flight time without an autopilot. Of my 4500 hrs about 1200 or so are with an autopilot.
Anyway, so what? The plane does not make decisions for you. You still gain valuable flight experience while flying with an a/p. Good stick skills by themselves do not make a good pilot.
Not trying to further this pissing contest but go deal with icing dodging thunderstorms in a twin in Texas and the SE for two years. I think you would agree that that is also difficult.
WDR11
PS Sorry for contributing for the contenued hyjacking of this thread, but I could not leave this alone.

 

[Motive Flow]

Is Purpledog serious? If so, then Fedex should just hire fighter guys. Those heavy drivers have it way too easy.

Bottom line: 1000 - 2000 hrs turbine PIC (civ or mil) = plenty of day to day judgement calls and maybe an emergency/abnormality or two. At about that time, both military and civilian candidates have more than a few years of flying for a living. They're both equally qualified. The only difference is the military guy probably has a few more buddies at Fedex.

Now what was the original topic?

 

[XJETDriver]

I disagree with your opinion but respect it. If I was hiring I would select those proven in combat whether it is a C-17 pilot flying into Baghdad or a bombdropping fighter pilot over some guy with 3000 hours flying RJs from Des Moines and Chicago. No slam on the civilian guy because i know how hard they work to gain experience. But anyone who has safely flown an airplane under fire has earned a chance to interview at an airline.

Who cares about the combat flying. Are you going to be flying a MD-11, like a C-130 at 250Ft AGL at night with no lights on and dropping heavies out the back?? Or are you going to be flying a MD-11 from IAH to EWR?? Just like the 3K hour RJ pilot has been doing. And I bet that the C-130 pilot has 1/2 the time the RJ pilot has. The reason I know, b/c Iam talking about my brother. He is here at XJT and is with the 189th Airlift Wing

 

[CaptainMark]

If you get the interview..you are qualified! reguardless of background...end of story

 

[MemTrash]

FedEx interviews the most qualified candidates, 'nuf said. Incidently my interview group was 50/50 mil/civ. One civvie didn't make it b/c he showed up looking like Jimmy Buffet going to a luau and blew thru an altitude by 500' on the sim. Just my speculation on why he didn't get invited to the show.

Guys you have it all wrong at FedEx. It doesn't matter what your background is, it does matter what the background is of the guys doing the hiring.
When I got hired it was John Hunt (civilian guy) and he hired a lot of US. Then it was Dexter Tutor (nightmare) you had to be a military guy with a PHD to get hired. There is no way I would have been hired while he was doing the calling.
Now the guys are mostly military so guess what... mostly military are getting hired. If I am ever the guy making the calls the civilian guys will be back in (snowball chance in hell) because I know what they have been through and I'd want a guy that flew around in his past just like he will at FedEx. If FedEx planes ever start getting shot at, well then I'd go back to the military guys.

 

[CaptainMark]

man...watch out...GI Joe is gonna come looking for you..

 

[Purpledog]

Military guys dont use autopilots? Give me a break

Guess what dipsh*t. Mil fighters don't have autopilots or FMS. At least none of the ones I flew. Nice try though.

 

[Marko Ramius]

Guess what dipsh*t. Mil fighters don't have autopilots or FMS. At least none of the ones I flew. Nice try though.

Guess what, alot of civilians fly airplanes that don't have those things as well. Now would that make you a dipsh*t as well?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Guess what dipsh*t. Mil fighters don't have autopilots or FMS. At least none of the ones I flew. Nice try though.

Do Md11s have autopilots? how about autoland?

 

[uscpilot]

Guess what dipsh*t. Mil fighters don't have autopilots or FMS. At least none of the ones I flew. Nice try though.

For someone who has been in the military you sure have thin skin. Resorting to name calling, indirectly admitting that you lost your argument. You ran out of your baseless opinions and heresay so you had to resort to name calling. You make a persuasive point, but hows this?
So you never had an a/p, good for you. Want a cookie?
I made the same generalization you made. You said that 80% of a civilian's flight hours would be on an autopilot. I said that plenty military flight hours would be on an a/p (like you I neglected to specify certian a/c). I cited myself as an example of someone who would have 80% or more without an a/p. Unlike you I didnt call you a dipsh*t.
If your plane did not have an a/p or FMS, then how are you more qualified to fly for Fedex (I assume that all their a/c have an a/p and FMS) than a civilian candidate with 5000+ hrs in an RJ? How does flying a fighter translate to flying a heavy transport aircraft?
I think that most of the people on this board are probably not as bad as they come across. I know that Im not. Unfortunatly people say indefensable things like 80% of civilian's flight time is on autopilots. Then unstead of admitting they are wrong they dig themselves a hole.
WDR11
PS I am sure that you are a nice guy and a good crewmember, but you come across as the stereotypical premadonna military fighter pilot.