Why does everyone want jetBlue to fail?

[800Dog]

I may have forgotten a lot of things, but don't recall any questions concerning unions on the interview, whether pro or con. Maybe Albie can answer that question, based on his feedback. However, untill I am disproved, I guess, I will have to call you full of it

Many ways to get ones views without direct questions. Amazed at how sheltered some pilots actually are!

 

[whymeworry?]

I may have forgotten a lot of things, but don't recall any questions concerning unions on the interview, whether pro or con. Maybe Albie can answer that question, based on his feedback. However, untill I am disproved, I guess, I will have to call you full of it

That's why I said, "was told". Whether it's true or not, I don't know. But three guys I know who work there made statements in the past that they (mgmt) will work hard to make sure nobody attempts to unionize.

That was 3 years ago. Here we are in the 5th year of Blue and their still non-union. Maybe the pilots want it this way. Their sentiment will change when and if things ever get hard for the company and they start to furlough out of senority order.

 

[whymeworry?]

Many ways to get ones views without direct questions. Amazed at how sheltered some pilots actually are!

EXACTLY!

 

[Andy]

Well, you are in good company. Take a look at other threads, honestly look at what is being said.

It seems that there is handful of people that would like
AA
UAL
DAL
NWA
JB
AWA/USAIR
SWA,

(heck insert any airline you wan), to FAIL.

From LCCs being the reason to legacy failure, to every single legacy flight has bad service. You name it you can find it. So Cheer up, you have now joined the ranks....

AA

P.S. Don't agree with your transcon idea, but do appreciate the rides on occasion.

Man, I just love how you sky nazis think that you're 'all that.' Everyone knows that Yonited should be at the top of the list. I hope that you sky nazis go out of business so that those of us at Yonited are on the top of everyone's list. At Yonited, we're not number two, we're number one. Heck, I can't count the number of times that other pilots have flashed me a single digit. :nuts: :laugh: (For the humor impaired, that was meant to be a joke)


Ever since I've been on these boards, whomever the 'top dog' airline is, it's badmouthed. I'm hoping that in the near future, United will once again be the number one hated airline on flightinfo.

 

[A350]

32LT:

What do I call the mentality that you have? You want me to demand things that will help you with whatever your specific "problem" is, no matter what it costs me in the future......and you hope the company I work for fails so you can benefit in some way. And you want my help in doing it?

You can call me a scab and say I have a scab mentality. You and I differ in opinion. You think I caused your misery. I think your misery has been caused by many factors, but there not being a union at JB isn't one of them.

A350

 

[Dizel8]

Many ways to get ones views without direct questions. Amazed at how sheltered some pilots actually are!

Please! Oh sorry forgot, 800Dog knows all, bow to him!

Why is it that you believe all of the jetblue pilots are neophytes?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

JetBlue, a former high flier, loses altitude


NEW YORK (Reuters) — Just 18 months ago the acumen of JetBlue Airways' founder was being lionized in a book called "Flying High."
But airline entrepreneur David Neeleman and his brainchild are suddenly facing turbulent skies.
The No. 2 U.S. discount airline shocked investors and analysts Wednesday by disclosing that not only had it posted its first quarterly loss since going public in April 2002 but that it expected to stay mired in the red for the rest of 2006.
Even the leather seats, seat-back satellite televisions and cheerful personnel that made the carrier a hit with passengers have lost a bit of luster as JetBlue has struggled with one of the industry's worst one-time performances.
JetBlue, analysts said, has lost altitude through a combination of bad luck and its own missteps.
"It's sort of like the perfect storm of issues all at once," said Marisa Thompson, an analyst at Morningstar. "They're experiencing the growing pains of a young airline."
The airline faces several headwinds: the soaring cost of fuel, a breakneck expansion that includes the addition of a second aircraft type, and tough competition that has loomed as an obstacle to fare hikes in key markets.
Neeleman and his management team are trying to deal with the problems but analysts said they have stumbled in some areas.
Miscalculations
Neeleman, 46, is a one-time Mormon missionary who made his name in the airline industry by starting up a carrier called Morris Air and selling it to industry-beating discounter Southwest Airlines.
When he was ready to found another carrier, aiming to offer low fares and distinctive service to New York and nearby states, he succeeded in raising a then record sum for an airline start-up and attracting high-profile investors such as George Soros. Soros still owned 15% of JetBlue's shares outstanding as of October 30.
But lately, analysts are questioning the airline's failure to buy contracts that could have softened the blow of soaring oil prices — and other miscalculations.
"They should have known to lock in hedges and they really didn't effectively do so," said Jim Corridore, an equity analyst at Standard & Poor's.
By contrast, Southwest, the No. 1 U.S. low cost carrier, can thank its own comprehensive hedging program for helping to stay firmly in the black last year even as JetBlue swung to a loss.
Neeleman also rolled the dice by ordering 100 regional jets from Brazilian planemaker Embraer, bringing a second fleet type alongside its larger Airbus A320s in a move that adds potential opportunity — but also increases complexity.
The Embraer's introduction in November, flying between New York and Boston, has been marred by technical glitches as well as slower-than-expected aircraft deliveries.
Those hiccups, which JetBlue insists are typical with the introduction of a plane, may be a sign that managers adept at starting up an airline struggle to run a maturing one.
Acknowledging another misstep, JetBlue last week said it was relocating its yield management department — which aims to fill seats with the highest possible fares — to its New York City headquarters from Salt Lake City.
"They're very entrepreneurial and now they have to go from entrepreneurial to managerial and that's a tough transition to make," said Roger King, an analyst at CreditSights.
JetBlue shares Thursday bounced back from a decline of more than 13% the day before, adding 72 cents, or 6.4%, at $11.91 in afternoon Nasdaq trading. But they are still down 23% so far this year, compared with a 5% drop in the sectoral Amex Airline index .
Even at that level, some analysts argued that JetBlue is far from being a buying opportunity.
"I wouldn't call it a crisis at JetBlue, but the stock had been priced to perfection," said S&P's Corridore. "People were expecting a lot from them and the stumble was punished."

 

[Dizel8]

Oh my god, the sky is falling!

Oh well, we can always file Ch.11 and start anew.

Wonder how we all are going to fare with oil prices rising again?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Take Control Of Your Future Now!!!!!

Stan,

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it, no matter how strongly you feel about it. Along that line, others are entitled to theirs as well, right? And although you personally feel "we" are lowering "your" bar, "we" are of the opinion that "we" have raised "our" bar very high amongst our little airline.

As far as "us" being leaders, well, once again, we have lead "our" little airline quite high in both operation standards and accomplishments. We have "stood up" quite high within our own ranks, thank you very much. Whether you like it or not, JB has far surpassed many hurdles and weathered an extremely tough competative environment despite the lack of support from others. We do what we do for the good of our fellow JB Crewmembers. Call it selfish if you wish, that too, is your choice.

If we were part of a national/fraternal organization (ie ALPA) believe you me, we would be fighting tooth and nail for whatever the majority ruled. However, we are not part of any other league, and face facts, this is business, and as long as we operate above board and honestly, all is fair.

See ya........

Now that B6 is losing tons of dough, the first employee group management comes after are the Pilots. You better unionize before the company just takes what they want, unless you don't care. I mean this sincerely, having been in this business awhile.

HSC

 

[Dizel8]

Now that B6 is losing tons of dough, the first employee group management comes after are the Pilots. You better unionize before the company just takes what they want, unless you don't care. I mean this sincerely, having been in this business awhile.
HSC

Yeah, all the jetblue pilots just got into the business. Thanks for your concern, but shouldn't you be worried about your own company?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Yeah, all the jetblue pilots just got into the business. Thanks for your concern, but shouldn't you be worried about your own company?

Flying Bill Gates around, NO.

Dizel Go down with dignity, every other pilot has!

 

[NYRANGERS]

I may have forgotten a lot of things, but don't recall any questions concerning unions on the interview, whether pro or con. Maybe Albie can answer that question, based on his feedback. However, untill I am disproved, I guess, I will have to call you full of it

I hear the furloughed US Airways lady likes to spend some time asking about flightinfo.com in the interview. If true, it seems very silly and petty, but like many have pointed out......they do a good job of screening for the type of pilots they need to keep things going.

 

[iflyhigh]

Ok for everyone considering extending the 8 hour rule in a day.

135 guys are allowed to fly 10 hours a day. I did it for 3 years. Plus, many times a 135 guys would fly 13 hours, due to the fact the last leg would be Part 91. Was is safe, sometimes, sometimes not. Depends on the hours you were flying, how much you flew already that week, and how hard the day was, numerous approaches etc.

Changing the rule could be good and bad. One thing alot of people forget is that pilots commute. Its a fact in our profession. So if a pilot commutes in the night before his long day, gets in around midnight due to delays. Goes to the crash pad gets 5 hours sleep and show for work at 6:00, then flies round trip to the west coast, how do you think this guy is going to feel by the end of the day.

Please don't tell well rested, unless he took a nap in the cockpit enroute. Add into the fact that you may have to hold and shoot an approach at the end, this could be a bad thing.

Now I know a few are going to say, well the company will put restrictions on commuting pilots. You can try and guys will break the rules.

Looking on the surface, the rule being changed to exceed 8 hours is not necessarily bad. What could make it bad is the pilots themselves. Their are some of else who now who commute from far away, get in get little rest the first day and then catch up on the trip. This is where it gets dangerous.

iflyhigh

 

[FurloughedTwice]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon30.gif Hey, two-time looser.......
Quote:
Originally Posted by FurloughedTwice
I don't want to see JetBlue fail because I have a lot of friends over there but could you please stay out of EWR. Thanks!! LOL

CAL has added hourly service to some of the same markets using 757-300's and I'm sure it's not helping either of us....

It will be an interesting battle.:beer:


.....I mean, Furloughed Twice

Two time loser? It's more like 5 time loser by now. It figures that with all the uniforms I have in my closet I still couldn't match CAL's color.. :laugh:

 

[jbvt]

Big words small man

Is there picketline somewhere you could cross? Sounds like the words of a.....What is the word I am looking for? Sc...something along those lines

Your union fails you and you call us scabs, you obviously don't know the meanining of the word. Seems you have more of a problem With Duane Worthless who make $500,000.000 a year than you do with B6. Get a life and stop looking for scapegoats for your own failures, typical union schill tactics. oh by the way , if I'm a scab, the word you tried to call me but I guess you did not have the BA**S telll your union becaue me and 75% of our pilots are still in good standing. Get a life!

 

[32LT10]

Your union fails you and you call us scabs, you obviously don't know the meanining of the word. Seems you have more of a problem With Duane Worthless who make $500,000.000 a year than you do with B6. Get a life and stop looking for scapegoats for your own failures, typical union schill tactics. oh by the way , if I'm a scab, the word you tried to call me but I guess you did not have the BA**S telll your union becaue me and 75% of our pilots are still in good standing. Get a life!

I was calling a350 because of his "it's all about me" attitude. If you share his views then I would not call you a scab yet. Just a scab in the waiting.

Now that the shine is off the JBLU apple it will be interesting to see what happens. Looks like the void will be filled with a new cadre of year one longevity employees at VA that are just trying to feed their families. So the bar is lowered on you and we will see how needleman reacts.

 

[jbvt]

Small man small message

I was calling a350 because of his "it's all about me" attitude. If you share his views then I would not call you a scab yet. Just a scab in the waiting.

Now that the shine is off the JBLU apple it will be interesting to see what happens. Looks like the void will be filled with a new cadre of year one longevity employees at VA that are just trying to feed their families. So the bar is lowered on you and we will see how needleman reacts.

The bar is on you, the cowardly poster who throws the word scab around behind a computer keyboard. You say you are an airline veteran, yet you use a word with so much history and hate incorrectly. Whose union accepted rates lower than B6 for airbusses, yours. Whose union leadership plays golf in PHX and reaps huge salaries while thousands of its members wlk the streets or work for us, yours. Whose union is being sued by the TWA pilot group for the screwing they got, yours. Whose union lets Mesa's J. Ornstein walk all over their pilot group with the phrase Greive it, yours. Whose union has almost all of its carriers in bankruptcy, screwing vendors across the nation in one of the worst travesties of bankruptcy poilicies in history, yours. Northwest Airlines has replacement mechanics fixing its aircraft, whose union allows that, yours. Alk pilots have replacement workers on the ramp who poked a hole in an aircraft, did not report it and jeopardized the safety of all aboard, whose union allowed that, yours. And about our "me" attitude, how many AA, LLC, DAL, NWA, AWA, and all the rest, flight attendants do you allow to jumpseat to work for free on your airline, none. Your union is the epitome of the whats in it for me attitude with a history of you screwing your own junior pilots by flying extra while guys are on the street, I know , I am one of them! At Jetblue we have a content, motivated group who trust and respect our leaders for now. We enjoy our workplce, respect our other crewmembers an take pride in our ownership and thats what its all about. If things need to be changed we will take our own counsel not your jealous, petty, ignorant and failed advice. Look in your own house before you come outside and tell me to fix mine. And oh, by the way anyone, can hide behind his wifes skirt and call people names, thats a childs game, be and act like a man and if you want to throw word bombs come out and do it. And get our Ceo's name right, you look like an idiot who knows not for what he speaks .

 

[A350]

32LT:

I don't have an all about "me" attitude. I have an all about "us", meaning JB attitude.

The fact that you don't like it makes it even sweeter. Get your union over here and try to unionize this group. I bet they get sent home on a rail. Not because unions are bad in general, but because ALPA is a broken, corrupt, and ineffective union.

A350

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

AMEN JBVT !!! 32lt10 is a loser...

 

[Rekks Inbound]

32LT10,
You sir, need to find some other line of work. If you want to criticize, look in the mirror. LOWERING THE BAR?! You did that yourself! My pay rate per hour is higher than your's on a per seat basis per hour! And we kept 99% of our rigs and work rules, all while flying an RJ! You guys in your WB's sold the narrow body guys down the river big time. You need to look after your own house before criticizing others and throwing around the SCAB word.

You have made my ignore list. Bye bye.

Rekks

 

[~~~~O~~~~]

The bar is on you, the cowardly poster who throws the word scab around behind a computer keyboard. You say you are an airline veteran, yet you use a word with so much history and hate incorrectly. Whose union accepted rates lower than B6 for airbusses, yours. Whose union leadership plays golf in PHX and reaps huge salaries while thousands of its members wlk the streets or work for us, yours. Whose union is being sued by the TWA pilot group for the screwing they got, yours. Whose union lets Mesa's J. Ornstein walk all over their pilot group with the phrase Greive it, yours. Whose union has almost all of its carriers in bankruptcy, screwing vendors across the nation in one of the worst travesties of bankruptcy poilicies in history, yours. Northwest Airlines has replacement mechanics fixing its aircraft, whose union allows that, yours. Alk pilots have replacement workers on the ramp who poked a hole in an aircraft, did not report it and jeopardized the safety of all aboard, whose union allowed that, yours. At Jetblue we have a content, motivated group who trust and respect our leader for now. We enjoy our workplce, respect our other crewmembers an take pride in our ownership and thats what its all about. If things need to be changed we will take our own counsel not your jealous, petty, ignorant and failed advice. Look in your own house before you come outside and tell me to fix mine. And oh, by the way anyone, can hide behind his wifes skirt and call people names, thats a childs game, be and act like a man and if you want to throw word bombs come out and do it. And by the way get B6's CEO's name right.

How about finding commom ground? Instead of this.....

 

[PHXFLYR]

I don't want them to fail but I would like them to get a union and stop trying to petition the FAA for and exemption to the 8 hour rule.

Here...here!!

PHXFLYR

 

[jbvt]

How about finding commom ground? Instead of this.....

Do me a favor, talk to me about common ground when some one calls you and all the people you work for and respect scabs , OK?

 

[PHXFLYR]

There's been a lot of misinformation written about this flight hour vs. duty hour exemption that is being researched by us. Fact is, the program is till being evaluated by the experts. No decision has been made by any authority whether it will happen or not. The proposal is that JetBlue ONLY will be allowed to exceed the eight hour daily flight time on two legs of DAYLIGHT ( read 6 am to midnight ) flying. If, and that's a BIG IF, an excemption is granted, it will only apply to JetBlue and nobody else. Now, an argument could be made that once the horse is out of the barn, you can't get back in. This may be very true, but it's up to your own representative organizations to fight this battle on their own turf.

To fight this from the outside would be like the JetBlue pilots fighting against more crew bases by other carriers at JFK because it makes it harder for us to find crashpads and commute to work. It's illogical and none of our business. Same thing to fight us about the flight time exemption. It's illogical and none of your business.

As for me, would I do day turns LGB? Problably not, but I would to LAS, SLC, and PHX.

Since when is 6AM to MIDNIGHT considered daylight??? Trying to get that definition changed ,too? No wonder why you guys are loved on this board


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Stan,

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it, no matter how strongly you feel about it. Along that line, others are entitled to theirs as well, right? And although you personally feel "we" are lowering "your" bar, "we" are of the opinion that "we" have raised "our" bar very high amongst our little airline.

As far as "us" being leaders, well, once again, we have lead "our" little airline quite high in both operation standards and accomplishments. We have "stood up" quite high within our own ranks, thank you very much. Whether you like it or not, JB has far surpassed many hurdles and weathered an extremely tough competative environment despite the lack of support from others. We do what we do for the good of our fellow JB Crewmembers. Call it selfish if you wish, that too, is your choice.

If we were part of a national/fraternal organization (ie ALPA) believe you me, we would be fighting tooth and nail for whatever the majority ruled. However, we are not part of any other league, and face facts, this is business, and as long as we operate above board and honestly, all is fair.

See ya........

Operate above board and honestly.....using all the rules as the currently exist,or by trying to change the ones that aren't to your liking?


PHXFLYR

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Since when is 6AM to MIDNIGHT considered daylight??? Trying to get that definition changed ,too? No wonder why you guys are loved on this board


PHXFLYR

Let's see. Start work at 6a and get done by 4p, fly 9 hrs. or Start work at noon and get done at 10p, fly 9.5 hrs. Or start work at 2p and get done at midnight. All 10 hrs duty time and two legs of 5 and 4.5 hrs. Now which would you want to do. Start at 6a, fly 8 legs for a total of 7.5 hours and get done at 10p (Typical regional schedule) or fly the other schedule? Besides, again, it's our request, the pilot group, for more efficient schedules.

If you don't like, take your 2.5% and fight it. I'm sure DW will love to spend your money. He did a good job for the all the furloughed guys working for us.

Oh yeah, 32 is an ....., well you get the picture. Beside, he's ignored by most people. If 32 wasn't such a coward, he'd take the short walk from T7 over to T6 carrying his UA flag and confront us one on one about his ramblings. But it's easier to hide behind screen name. However, when it's time to put up or shut up, he's a crying little girl. Fortunately, he's a reject and not reflective of the rest of the really superior folks over at UA.

 

[Boeingman]

Hello Pot......meet Kettle

I was calling a350 because of his "it's all about me" attitude. If you share his views then I would not call you a scab yet. Just a scab in the waiting.

All about me attitude right? So your retired comrades that you voted to decimate must be calling you guys scabs as well right?

You boys and girls have mucho skeletons in your closet to be calling or whining to others about anything. Nice to know arrogance is alive and well at United, at least with a select few. Amazing after the bending over you took over there.

"Thank you sir may I have another......" Is that your motto these days?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I have more uniforms in my closet......

Two time loser? It's more like 5 time loser by now. It figures that with all the uniforms I have in my closet I still couldn't match CAL's color.. :laugh:

......let's have a garage sale or better yet, sell them on EBAY like an Ex-Soviet Soldier and have a party!

I know, I know, that is so 1980's!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Do me a favor, talk to me about common ground when some one calls you and all the people you work for and respect scabs , OK?

Who called you a scab? Some guy with a psuedo name? Get over yourself... Take the high road.... Are you really looking for respect on flightinfo?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Let's see. Start work at 6a and get done by 4p, fly 9 hrs. or Start work at noon and get done at 10p, fly 9.5 hrs. Or start work at 2p and get done at midnight. All 10 hrs duty time and two legs of 5 and 4.5 hrs. Now which would you want to do. Start at 6a, fly 8 legs for a total of 7.5 hours and get done at 10p (Typical regional schedule) or fly the other schedule? Besides, again, it's our request, the pilot group, for more efficient schedules.

If you don't like, take your 2.5% and fight it. .....




And theirin lies the problem. If you guys prevail and get your extension
it WILL filter it's way into the rest of the industry and we WILL have to fight to keep it off of our respective properties. And as a result, we will in all likelyhood have to give up some other contractual gain we got from our last round of negotiations.It's called 'quid pro quo" something for something. That's how negotiations work. But then again,if you had any sort union of union representation ,you would have known that already,wouldn't you?
Oh, by the way thanks for the E190 payrates....Really 'preciate it



PHXFLYR