Why Do People Bash Swa?

[pilotyip]

And you have to remember, this board is all in fun. Don't take it too seriously. I don't.


Bye Bye--General Lee

there is a glimer of reality

 

[BE200drvr]

It has nothing to do with the employees, I think they are great people and are very lucky. The problem is the companies approach to business is absolute cost minimalism...Do not confuse this with profit maximization. In other words SWA analyzes routes for maximum capacity increase on a slim margin. It may be the best in terms of airlines but that's because of such controlled costs. This is called the Southwest effect. If an airline is charging 20 cents a mile, SWA will go into an area and charge 12 cents a mile.

The problem with this approach is that the model assumes exponential growth if you do not raise fares. Simply put SWA will have to raise fares considerably to remain profitable as other airlines match SW prices. This is why SWA load factors have remained consistent over the years. If SW is allowed to grow untamed this is a good thing for pilots, as they pay the best salaries now. However, such growth is physically impossible, which is why, I have said SW will be bankrupt by 2009 if it continues on its current course. They would need over 1000 737's by 2009 to avoid it. They could raise fares and risk the capacity drop if other airlines do not match. Fuel going up in price would also help SW.

Did you mean 2019 or some other year? Just curious why you thought that was the year??

I stay pretty neutral, however, your post seems to be pretty innacurate in respect to your numbers.

I should point out that SW is making money this year, SW made money last year and the advance bookings look great again next year.

One thing you can be sure about is oil will go up. Gold will go up and the value of the US dollar will go down. But for the next two years SW will make money, making your bankruptcy prediction false.

 

[begsby]

10 pages......really?

 

[redflyer65]

I don't want to fly a regional with great pay. I want options in the planes I fly, and the places I fly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So BWI-SAN is regional now? Wow, talk about arrogant.

Speaking of regionals, coming through Detroit and there was a line up 19 planes deep for take off....17 of those were Delta regional jets, the other two?

Spirit and Continental (not one mainline DL aircraft)

Funny stuff.

 

[General Lee]

So BWI-SAN is regional now? Wow, talk about arrogant.

Speaking of regionals, coming through Detroit and there was a line up 19 planes deep for take off....17 of those were Delta regional jets, the other two?

Spirit and Continental (not one mainline DL aircraft)

Funny stuff.

The problem is, you don't get off in SAN, you contine onto SJC or SMF. That is the problem. NO THANKS. And, in DTW, I bet you saw a lot of Comair RJs. Well, half of them will be gone by next year. Is that fast enough for ya? And do you think there aren't banks that have mostly mainline jets? How about flights to Europe, or Asia nonstop from DTW? Where do you go from DTW? I bet STL and BWI. Enjoy that.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[scoreboardII]

14242 posts and still nothing to add.

 

[Flyer1015]

The problem is, you don't get off in SAN, you contine onto SJC or SMF. That is the problem. NO THANKS. And, in DTW, I bet you saw a lot of Comair RJs. Well, half of them will be gone by next year. Is that fast enough for ya? And do you think there aren't banks that have mostly mainline jets? How about flights to Europe, or Asia nonstop from DTW? Where do you go from DTW? I bet STL and BWI. Enjoy that.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Still can't figure out your problem. Who cares what he flies or what you fly. An airplane is an airplane. Bottom line is that at SWA, for a given year, he makes more at SWA than you do at Delta. Now I know that's hard to swallow, the double breasted jacket makes it tight on the lungs, but please swallow it and move on.

 

[General Lee]

Still can't figure out your problem. Who cares what he flies or what you fly. An airplane is an airplane. Bottom line is that at SWA, for a given year, he makes more at SWA than you do at Delta. Now I know that's hard to swallow, the double breasted jacket makes it tight on the lungs, but please swallow it and move on.

This from a guy who only flies one plane type too. You have no idea what you are talking about. You need to worry more about when your own plane will hit the bone yard. And, how do you know he makes more than I do? I am at top pay for an FO, and he might be at year 4 at SWA? How do you know? Regardless, I have better trips and don't have to go to ELP. So, ELP or Munich? You decide, oh wait, you just don't care. Again, you are clueless. Go to Dayton and buy yourself a shlitz.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[slaquer5]

This from a guy who only flies one plane type too. You have no idea what you are talking about. You need to worry more about when your own plane will hit the bone yard. And, how do you know he makes more than I do? I am at top pay for an FO, and he might be at year 4 at SWA? How do you know? Regardless, I have better trips and don't have to go to ELP. So, ELP or Munich? You decide, oh wait, you just don't care. Again, you are clueless. Go to Dayton and buy yourself a shlitz.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You are very delusional. Not only is he making more than you, it is substantial more. SWA trips are more productive, he gets time and half or double time on some of his trips. I would bet your not even close to a SWA 4 yr FO at pay.

 

[contrail67]

Wait about 3 years animal tail, when they take over DIA you will probably be in line bashing your new company.

SWA will not be "taking over" DIA....maybe some other low cost airlines... but if you have not noticed there is a GIANT at DIA...that is overall more than twice the size of SWA......United.

 

[scoreboardII]

So, ELP or Munich

ELP.

I'll be home the next day, ready to rock and roll on stuff I like to do, not stuff the company likes me to do, and I won't have to take three days to recouperate from jetlag.

Deal with it Generalisimo, most folks like being at SWA, and they get paid bags of money doing it, sorry your life revolves around lonely ice cream cones and single seat bar tables.

 

[GuppyWN]

SWA will not be "taking over" DIA....maybe some other low cost airlines... but if you have not noticed there is a GIANT at DIA...that is overall more than twice the size of SWA......United.

DIA market share

(Figures do not include international or regional service)
July 2006

Southwest —2.81 percent
Frontier — 18.02 percent
United — 34.39 percent
July 2010

Southwest — 16.99 percent
Frontier — 16.74 percent
United — 28.14 percent
Source: Denver International Airport



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[redflyer65]

You are very delusional. Not only is he making more than you, it is substantial more. SWA trips are more productive, he gets time and half or double time on some of his trips. I would bet your not even close to a SWA 4 yr FO at pay.

We have a winner!

General, we do a ton of long haul flying. You just can't seem to get that into your head.

You still have over 800 RJ's even AFTER Comair parks their old 100's. Do your research...

 

[texman]

General your weak.

 

[mt2]

This from a guy who only flies one plane type too. You have no idea what you are talking about. You need to worry more about when your own plane will hit the bone yard. And, how do you know he makes more than I do? I am at top pay for an FO, and he might be at year 4 at SWA? How do you know? Regardless, I have better trips and don't have to go to ELP. So, ELP or Munich? You decide, oh wait, you just don't care. Again, you are clueless. Go to Dayton and buy yourself a shlitz.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Reality:

12 yr DAL 757/767 FO - guarantee = @ 93k
4 yr SWA 737 FO - guarantee = @ 101k

I'm beginning to wonder if General really is a DAL pilot or just some wannabe with waaayyy too much time on his hands.