Why are the 1700+ trannies pilots not recalling their status reps?

[ivauir]

I will admit that this would have been a whole lot easier if the MEC had reviewed the proposal before it was a TA and rejected it then..

They were fully briefed.

 

[Lear70]

Fam62, and gt1000- Great posts. Well thought out, and logical. PCL128, and Lear, you guys are a couple of knuckleheads. SWA is gonna love you two..

Opinions vary...

 

[madjack]

if Mr. Kelly cannot operate the 717 profitably in our system, he will do something...if I were @ aai I woud bid the 737

 

[Empennage]

Let's be REALLY honest...if YOU were taking a 30% loss of seniority, would you vote for it?

No way, Jose.

The AAI MEC did what's best for their pilots. That's their job. And arbitration is much preferable to the porking you clowns wanted to give them.

And for those who were not taking a 30% loss??

 

[scoreboardII]

Originally Posted by Fubijaakr
Let's be REALLY honest...if YOU were taking a 30% loss of seniority, would you vote for it?

No way, Jose.

The AAI MEC did what's best for their pilots. That's their job. And arbitration is much preferable to the porking you clowns wanted to give them.

No way Jose, lets be really honest, that 30% loss is a FALLACY presented by ALPA to ramp up the emotion train. Those pilots claim a 30% drop are actually being placed at damn near if not at DOH position. You think they should be placed anywhere near a 40 year SWA captain?

Another fallacy, 15% gain for SWAPA, BS, on average it was (SL9 no longer exists) no more than 8%, the best end game bump is 1% at retirement, most ending even next to their counterpart at AT, now how is that unfair? Should it be fair for SWA pilots to take a seniority loss through retirement? Answer that.

 

[Ty Webb]

No way Jose, lets be really honest, that 30% loss is a FALLACY presented by ALPA to ramp up the emotion train. Those pilots claim a 30% drop are actually being placed at damn near if not at DOH position. You think they should be placed anywhere near a 40 year SWA captain?
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Have you even looked at the actual list? Sure doesn't sound like it.

I'm pretty typical . . . . . 29% on our list, would be at 61%, placed next to guys hired almost 4 years later than me.

 

[texman]

Oh well Ty, can't have everything.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Oh well Ty, can't have everything.

Tex, write that down, put in the envelop and seal.
Open and read when arbitrators makes their decision. It will be easier to swallow.

 

[canyonblue]

Have you even looked at the actual list? Sure doesn't sound like it.

I'm pretty typical . . . . . 29% on our list, would be at 61%, placed next to guys hired almost 4 years later than me.

I guess the point that many of us are making is that even though you are at 29% on the AirTran list, you need to exempt the percentage of pilots at SWA that are pre 1993. And those 2005 that you got funneled in with on the AIP, they would fall in the 40% range at AirTran. The AIP put them at 61%, are they losing out on almost 20%? DOH would put you at 49% on the SWA list, you would lose 12% with the AIP, and that is where the reality of the 12% SWA gain falls.

 

[ASADFW7]

Let it ride, double or nothing. Gambling is not easy when you have a mortgage to pay.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I guess the point that many of us are making is that even though you are at 29% on the AirTran list, you need to exempt the percentage of pilots at SWA that are pre 1993. And those 2005 that you got funneled in with on the AIP, they would fall in the 40% range at AirTran. The AIP put them at 61%, are they losing out on almost 20%? DOH would put you at 49% on the SWA list, you would lose 12% with the AIP, and that is where the reality of the 12% SWA gain falls.

There goes the funny SWAPA math again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJS8GszWJuQ

 

[frqntflyr]

There really isn't anything fuzzy about the math. Let's take it to an extreme example to help you understand.

Airline A with 30 yrs of longevity on the pilot list buys Airline B which is running its first new hire class.

In this scenario DOH would cause airline B's #1 pilot ( a new hire) to lose almost 100% seniority. Of course this argument completely dismisses longevity which I am sure you are aware of.

The fuzziness comes from the spin AT folks are putting on their vested time with the company. A 24 year old new hire has no place next to a 60 yr old 30 year veteran. Keep drawing down the extreme example till you get to our situation. Hope that helps.

 

[SkiFishFly]

No way Jose, lets be really honest, that 30% loss is a FALLACY presented by ALPA to ramp up the emotion train. Those pilots claim a 30% drop are actually being placed at damn near if not at DOH position. You think they should be placed anywhere near a 40 year SWA captain?

Another fallacy, 15% gain for SWAPA, BS, on average it was (SL9 no longer exists) no more than 8%, the best end game bump is 1% at retirement, most ending even next to their counterpart at AT, now how is that unfair? Should it be fair for SWA pilots to take a seniority loss through retirement? Answer that.

Not really a fallacy. I would have gone from 60% to 89%. Sure looks like a 29% seniority loss to me.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I understand what you saying, but with your offer, you pushed way too far to the other side. Making everyone loose 4 years from DOH and 650 guys stapled. That offer was your only chance to keep it out of arbitrators hands, and you gambled on fears of AirTran pilots to take it. You bent the stick too far, and it snapped. Would have been a nice bow if you were realistic.
Out of our hands now.


P.S. you can blame SWAPA and the greed of pilots who guided it for the arbitration ruling.

 

[canyonblue]

There really isn't anything fuzzy about the math. Let's take it to an extreme example to help you understand.

And we still can't explain it to the few here without the ability for abstract thought. The Alaska moron I get, he can't help being stupid. But you would think that the ones who were involved in this acquisition, at least did a little homework to understand the numbers. Unfrickenbelievable.

There goes the funny SWAPA math again

You should have taken higher math in school, you would be able to keep up here. Hillbilly.