who's in for ASA absolute Havoc???

[Plug]

6 years ago I wrote up everything at the outstation in support of the CMR pilots and the CMR aircraft that were being shifted to ASA.... Most people didn't care.... they were happy to get the new aircraft so they could upgrade and move on to the majors....

With the current "master/apprentice" setup at the regionals, this will never get very far....

No one to blame but ourselves....

Hey John, I agree with you (though I actually miss sparring with ya), but I am just wondering where this burn was 3 or 4 years ago? Enough was enough, then.

Cheers

P.S. I have now spent 3/4 of my career in sec. 6 negotiations, disgusting!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey John, I agree with you (though I actually miss sparring with ya), but I am just wondering where this burn was 3 or 4 years ago? Enough was enough, then.

Cheers

P.S. I have now spent 3/4 of my career in sec. 6 negotiations, disgusting!!!!

Jaime,

Good to spar with you again....

It will never happen at the regionals on a meaningful basis because most of the people at the regionals just want to move on and they don't want to "rock the boat"....

I've given up... DAL managment and ALPA can both kiss it.... my "give a d@mn is busted"....

I hear you CAL folks have a scab on the neg. committee... I guess ALPA will never learn...

Cheers,
John:beer:

 

[scarlet]

Im in---Heard Moes had some bad food the last two days, be good to the Mr.Toilet.......

Not illegal ALPA has nothing to do with this--IT IS AMERICAN people sick and tired of these AS$holes, taking millions of dollars and we get NOTHING !!!

ALL you BUSH supporters should be proud--vote with your pocket books next time and your family would be better off. All up tight about morals, and look at all the REPB. FAT and Closet cases=no balls

 

[IamHYPOXIC2]

The way I see it, it is my duty to make one call if there is a problem. One call to mx, one call to ops for rampers, one call for a gate agent, one call to dispatch. Once this is done, I have done my job and no one can say otherwise. If the message gets lost (like it usually does) and nobody comes or no response is given, I'm not giving another call. I will sit and wait.. and burn fuel.. and be delayed.. and when dispatch asks an hour later why we haven't taken off, I will tell them that a call for fuel was made and we're still waiting, or that the rampers never showed to push us back, etc.

I have done my job already, its time for everyone else to be responsible for doing theirs too. Regional airlines across the country would collapse if pilots did their jobs only and nobody else's. Management has a problem with it? Sure, I'll do everyone else's job too... but you're gonna have to pay me.

AMEN Brother, AMEN.

 

[Inconceivable]

According to an attorney friend of mine...that is ILLEGAL!! Check into it...PCL could get into a TON of trouble!

Can.
Have.
Paid MILLIONS in settlements for wrongful terminations.

But, the Bad News Express continues to roll on. I guess they figure it is a cost of doing business when you choose to manage through intimidation and fear.

 

[BIGGOAT]

Hey Scarlet,

I voted for Bush because I support the War, I like tax cuts that fuel the economy and my wallet, and I do not want same sex marriage.

Goat

 

[John Pennekamp]

Everyone is talking about a sick out. We can do a lot more damage by showing up and costing them money.

My VISION is clouded with anger and I don't have the airport/traffic in sight. Better vector me for the approach.

Oh damn, a light came on after push, but "the discrepancy no longer exists". Better call mx.

Sorry, but we're weight limited, and I think counting kids compromises our safety margin. Besides, those kids look over 13. Better bump some pax.

Two engine taxi is always safest.

Short fueled? Holding? Better divert.

Waiting for a gate. Hmmm, can't get through on ops. Guess we'll sit here. I get paid by the minute.

Safety first.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Count me in...

Let's keep the politics out of this thread, no one will ever agree whether the dems or gop are better for our situation and right now that's not what's important.

What is important is the fact that ASA management has been ripping us a new one here lately with crap September lines, no progress at the negotiating table, reduction in travel benefits and a general disregard for the morale and welfare of it's employees.

I'm generally not a burn it down type, I've always felt that we had a responsibility to the passengers to do the best we could for THEM because they didn't buy the ticket on ASA to get in the middle of our fight with management. They bought a ticket on Delta and by no fault of their own, got put on one of our planes hoping to get to their destinations.

That used to be enough to get me to suck it up and do the best job I could... Not any more... I will fly the contract and ONLY the contract; no personal cell phone usage, ONE call for fuel, catering, lav dump, mtx. EVERY legal mtx descrepancy WILL be written up, no matter how small. All I can do now is apologize in advance to our passengers but this company has taken what used to be a good work ethic and destroyed it.

Unfortunately, ASA has never figured out that you can't put a price tag on just how much you profit from a happy employee group (ie Southwest). Now they're about to find out just how much damage a miserable work force can do to your completion factors, on time statistics and PROFIT margins. That's the truly sad thing here, we are THE MOST profitable regional out there, so there's really no reason for all this. Karma's a b!tch, get ready ASA, here it comes...

 

[zawillif]

Did anyone else hear the guy on flight control yesterday? Flight control was trying to give him a new plane because his autopilot was deferred. He told them he didn't want to delay the flight any longer (it was delayed 1 hour) and took said deferred autopilot to DSM.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Looks like it has started.

We got into ABE last night and an ASA airplane was waiting for a part that was brought in from ATL, by our flight.

It was a Placard for an emergency exit...flight delayed 5 and a 1/2 hours. Was suppsoed to depart at 530pm, we got there at 1045pm.

Excellent.

P.S. why does it make sense for us (comair) to go ATL-ABE-ATL, why ASA goes CVG-ABE-CVG...I msut be missing something.

 

[johnsonrod]

Get er' done DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, collective bargaining is the only way to get it done. Stay strong!!!!

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

P.S. why does it make sense for us (comair) to go ATL-ABE-ATL, why ASA goes CVG-ABE-CVG...I msut be missing something.

It makes perfect sense from Delta's perspective. Strike protection. You guys can keep working that flight and give some service to ABE from ATL and it will not be flying struck work. Delta learned this the hard way after you guys went on strike. This is exactly why there is so many DCI carriers in ATL.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

Plane broke in DHN yesterday... good stuff.

 

[FishandFly]

Im in---Heard Moes had some bad food the last two days, be good to the Mr.Toilet.......

Not illegal ALPA has nothing to do with this--IT IS AMERICAN people sick and tired of these AS$holes, taking millions of dollars and we get NOTHING !!!

ALL you BUSH supporters should be proud--vote with your pocket books next time and your family would be better off. All up tight about morals, and look at all the REPB. FAT and Closet cases=no balls

Yeah scarlet! To hell with it (literally). Let's all support killing unborn children, same sex marriages, the schools teaching our kids we came from a monkey, increased taxes, and a soft hand on terrorism! That's what this country needs! None of that stuff matters anyway.

 

[scarlet]

Yeah same sex marriages really bother you dont they...its called DIVORCE I believe that ruins marriage! I believe it is like 70% end in Divorce. If you don't teach your kids what to believe, you have larger problems! You are responsilbe for your child. Taxes-whatever, hell you can't even get a raise! Terrorism, yeah alot safer aren't we, just walk into the US, or float for that matter (just 2 weeks ago a group of Cubans landed in the Keys, real soft hands I would say!) ANd IRAQ=ok we win WHAT DID WE WIN ???

We can do better, is all I am saying!

 

[Axel]

Why are same-sex marriage, abortion, Bush and Iraq being discussed on an ASA thread on the Regionals board? Both of you shut up and take it to the "Rabid Politics" forum.

 

[rjacobs]

Looks like it has started.

We got into ABE last night and an ASA airplane was waiting for a part that was brought in from ATL, by our flight.

It was a Placard for an emergency exit...flight delayed 5 and a 1/2 hours. Was suppsoed to depart at 530pm, we got there at 1045pm.

Excellent.

Best thing I have read in a long time on here.

 

[Tomct]

Let's keep the politics out of this thread, no one will ever agree whether the dems or gop are better for our situation and right now that's not what's important.

What is important is the fact that ASA management has been ripping us a new one here lately with crap September lines, no progress at the negotiating table, reduction in travel benefits and a general disregard for the morale and welfare of it's employees.

I'm generally not a burn it down type, I've always felt that we had a responsibility to the passengers to do the best we could for THEM because they didn't buy the ticket on ASA to get in the middle of our fight with management. They bought a ticket on Delta and by no fault of their own, got put on one of our planes hoping to get to their destinations.

That used to be enough to get me to suck it up and do the best job I could... Not any more... I will fly the contract and ONLY the contract; no personal cell phone usage, ONE call for fuel, catering, lav dump, mtx. EVERY legal mtx descrepancy WILL be written up, no matter how small. All I can do now is apologize in advance to our passengers but this company has taken what used to be a good work ethic and destroyed it.

Unfortunately, ASA has never figured out that you can't put a price tag on just how much you profit from a happy employee group (ie Southwest). Now they're about to find out just how much damage a miserable work force can do to your completion factors, on time statistics and PROFIT margins. That's the truly sad thing here, we are THE MOST profitable regional out there, so there's really no reason for all this. Karma's a b!tch, get ready ASA, here it comes...

Hey Flyer...we were the MOST profitable AIRLINE PERIOD!!! We out-performed SWA! It is finally good to hear EVERYONE on the same page....FINALLY!!!!!! I got the lighter fluid....hahaha This is going to be GREAT!!!:angryfire

 

[CF34-3B1]

hey guys, let us paroled ASA-ers know how it turns out.

I'd love to see the spin the GO puts on it next week.

Makes me all nostalgic for 1998.

Who remembers "Outlandish"?

 

[Just Cause]

Looks like it has started.

We got into ABE last night and an ASA airplane was waiting for a part that was brought in from ATL, by our flight.

It was a Placard for an emergency exit...flight delayed 5 and a 1/2 hours. Was suppsoed to depart at 530pm, we got there at 1045pm.

Excellent.


Enjoyed the sit in ABE. Great bunch of people up there. By the way out of the about six station personnel working last night, three were TDY'ed. One was from GRB, another from MLI, and the third from FWA. Just goes to show no one wants to work in this horrible industry.

My pen has been going non-stop as far as writing up MX discrepancies, but I believe it is about to catch on fire.

By the way guys thanks for the pizza!!

 

[Long Time Gone]

I'm just curious as to how the placard disappeared enroute on the way to Allentown, but was in place when you left ATL or CVG or wherever.

Does it match your "Kool & the Gang" poster on your bedroom wall???

Emergency
Emergency, emergency
Emergency
Emergency, emergency

I need 10cc's of hot bash
A serious love reaction
Give it to me
'Cause I need your love

Woman, heal me
Feel my heartbeat
Keep this body from a dangerous overheat
Give it to me
'Cause I need your love

Emergency, emergency
imp: :nuts: imp:

 

[DrewBlows]

P.S. why does it make sense for us (comair) to go ATL-ABE-ATL, why ASA goes CVG-ABE-CVG...I msut be missing something.

It makes no sense at all. Even worse is when Comair will do something like CVG-ABE-ATL and then do a few out and backs from ATL while ASA does ATL-ABE-CVG and does a few out and backs from CVG. If weather hits CVG Comair is delayed to ABE and is late for the rest of the day while ASA is delayed to CVG and is delayed the rest of the day. This would be the inverse if weather hit ATL, but the result, of two late aircraft, is the same.

The simple solution is to leave Comair in CVG and ASA in ATL, then when weather hits one hub only one aircraft is delayed. If an aircraft were built using this logic a taxi light would burn out and you'd have to do a single engine approach.

 

[Just Cause]

The fact that you even know the lyrics to a Kool and the Gang song give insight as to where the Kool and the Gang poster is hanging. Just because the cassette has been stuck in your 1983 IROC Z is by no reason to inflict any pain and suffering to others by so blatently reciting lyrics. Go back to your mothers basement, but make sure you stop by the dry cleaners on the way "home" to pick up your REO Speedwagon and Air Supply concert t-shirts. We know how you like to keep them pressed as they are now collectors editions. Have a great day Mr. Master of the Jungle Boogie.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Seems like ASA is about to boil over....

Good luck! You deserve a fair contract. Labor Day seems like an opportune moment to make a statement about how the Railway Labor Act combined with our current Administration has subverted the rights of hard working Americans.

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah scarlet! To hell with it (literally). Let's all support killing unborn children,

I have yet to see any significant action from the Republicans in many, many years on the issue of abortion. They seem to be using it as more of a wedge issue and political tactic than actually doing anything about it.

same sex marriages,

Again, I see no constitutional amendment forthcoming from the Republicans on this issue.

the schools teaching our kids we came from a monkey,

Send your kid to private school or home school them if you think they're so susceptible to that brainwashing nonsense.

increased taxes,

What good is a 2% tax cut if you take a 15% pay cut? The ASA pilots have been in negotiations for 5 years, meaning that COL has gone up about 20%. With a Republican NMB, you think they're going to be able to get that 20% raise to make up for it? I'll take a 3% tax hike any day before I'll take a 10% pay cut.

 

[FishandFly]

I wasn't attempting a thread hijack.. but to pcl: what ever floats your boat buddy.

 

[Plug]

Jaime,

Good to spar with you again....

It will never happen at the regionals on a meaningful basis because most of the people at the regionals just want to move on and they don't want to "rock the boat"....

I've given up... DAL managment and ALPA can both kiss it.... my "give a d@mn is busted"....

I hear you CAL folks have a scab on the neg. committee... I guess ALPA will never learn...

Cheers,
John:beer:

I heard the same thing about our NC. Thankfully, the bottom 90% of the CAL seniority is thoroughly pissed. We have some good folks in office now, the EWR and IAH LEC's are communicating well, and we have a lot of folks volunteering.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Stay on topic...

Please, guys.

There are probably hundreds of threads that deal with politics, labor, religion, education and morality on this board. This isn't about any of that, it's about one company that seems to think that making profits hand over fist while screwing it's employees is ok.

I've talked to so many pilots that just want to do their job and get home and it's killing me. If we continue to do that, this vicious cycle will just continue because we'll just keep doing our jobs, ASA will continue to rake in record profits and management will have NO incentive to make any changes for the better.

When flights start to go out late or get cancelled because we refuse to carry this sorry excuse for an airline on our backs any more, the profits shrink and management will take notice. The ONLY thing management cares about is the bottom line, that's their job. Until they realize that the bottom line is directly linked to their employees and how they feel about this company, they'll just continue to abuse us. Why should they change? Like the old saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well, it IS broke, or it's about to be in the next few days so maybe they'll see the need to make a few changes for the better if they want to keep their jobs, too.

Rant over, my apologies...

 

[Guitar Guy]

...your 1983 IROC Z...

Wow - that's an amazing find if he's got an '83 IROC. They weren't introduced until '85.

Sorry for the thread hijack - now back to your regular ASA havoc thread.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Besides, it's my Wrangler jeans that are dry cleaned and pressed (with the crease, please), not my REO Speedwagon t-shirt. The t-shirt is framed and hanging in the basement, next to the Centipede and Dig Dug video games.