Who would leave for a corp job..

[Lear70]

I agree completely - if it's REALLY better, BAIL!

I'm a 5-year CA at Pinnacle and I've been applying to every good Corp job that's come available in Nashville for the last several years.

I only get about 12 nights at home per month, with a GOOD corporate gig you'd hardly ever see 12 overnights, much less anything more.

At a regional, you'll never be PAID to see Europe for 3 or 4 days at a time then go home and have a week off 'cause the boss is tired of flying after that long-ass pond hop.

These are just two of the more OBVIOUS reasons added to what everyone else has said.

Yes, this job is decent. No, I wouldn't trade it for an office job. But quite honestly, if I had a sure-fire way to obtain a 20% or better pay raise, nearly double the number of nights I slept in my own bed, and still had guaranteed days off, I'd RUN and never look back.

Just MAKE SURE that it meets the criteria mentioned earlier of STABILITY - Yum Brands, Coca Cola, and that Insurance group up north probably keep advertising every 4-6 monts FOR A REASON.

 

[wahoo250]

Made my mind up, if i get the offer im Going...thanks for the imput. I hate working 14 hour days and getting paid for 5.5...doing it again today what a life.

 

[BeCareful!]

Copied this from another thread called, "How is the corporate world" over on the other forum:

Thought of a few more things that make me happy:

1. No more hats (yes, I wore mine like I was told)
2. No more ties
3. No more dragging my rollaboard around with a 50 lb flight-kit attached
4. No more dragging said rollaboard through ice/snow in the employee lot
5. No more employee lot busses lacking air-conditioning, heat, and shocks
6. No more waiting at employee lot bus-stops
7. No more entering security codes at every &%@$# door in the building
8. No more TSA telling me to take off my shoes
9. No more TSA inspecting my flashlight for the 40th time
10. No more TSA telling me to remove my hat
11. No more TSA leaning in to smell my breath
12. No more TSA
13. No more gate agents taking their good ol' time printing the release
14. No more waiting for gate agents to give you access to your airplane
15. No more waiting for jetway drivers
16. No more calling ops to ask for said jetway driver & being told, "shift change"
17. No more flight attendants calling up front because it's too hot, cold, bumpy
18. No more flight attendants sitting in first class instead of providing customer service
19. No more flight attendants whining about not getting crew meals
20. No more flight attendants whining when they DO get crew meals
21. No more APU's deferred with no ground air carts available
22. No more waiting for the hotel van
23. No more roadside fleabag hotels
24. No more :40 van rides to the long-overnight hotel so the F/As can shop
25. No more apologies for being away on weekends, holidays, special occasions
26. No more watching flying be outsourced to the lowest bidder
27. No more watching ALPA spend dues on "strongly worded letters"
28. No more ALPA (thats the best part!)
29. No more delapidated "crew rooms"
30. No more junior manning or extensions
31. No more pagers
32. No more calls from scheduling at 2am to transition you from regular reserve to short-call
33. No more quick-calls to go to Akron and back
34. No more racing through the terminal and grabbing a McValue Meal during a 15 minute break
35. No more equipment changes every time you fly through the hub
36. No more nastygrams from the company whenever you're in negotiations
37. No more feeling ashamed at the lack of customer service the company provides.
38. No more apologizing for weather, aircraft size, ATC delays, mechanical delays, etc.
39. No more groundschools in converted hangars or old elementary schools.
40. and finally... no more turning on CNN every night and wondering whether the airline is still in business.

(ahhh... I feel better now)
Did I miss anything? Feel free to add to this list.

FurloughedAgain -

Thanks for reposting that. Wow. What a comprehensive list!

I've been living that same "dream" he's describing. I'll betcha at the same airline, at the same base, and with the same "soft landing" provided for the past few years.

Finding a corporate job that fits your life is tough, though, especially if relocation isn't an option. For now, a short commute, a descent crashpad and a left seat are about the only things I'm smiling about. The rest is aptly described above!

 

[Lance501]

That sounds like a good reason Wahoo, You'll never work a 14 hour day at that corporate gig. You'll never have to sit around in an FBO lobby cause they told you to be ready two hours ago. It really sounds like your making a good decision and I don't know if you've flown corp before but with my experience it tends to be more like reserve that line flying.

 

[Lear70]

Good luck Wahoo! Hope it's everything you wished for and more.

Lance is right about one thing, there's a LOT of sitting around and waiting at FBO's, depending on the company, some more than others.

However, I love to read and sitting around getting paid to read one of my novels or learning a new language from a Berlitz CD sounds like a nice life!

 

[norskman2]

Geez, tell us how you REALLY feel!

1. No more hats (yes, I wore mine like I was told)
2. No more ties
3. No more dragging my rollaboard around with a 50 lb flight-kit attached
4. No more dragging said rollaboard through ice/snow in the employee lot
5. No more employee lot busses lacking air-conditioning, heat, and shocks
6. No more waiting at employee lot bus-stops
7. No more entering security codes at every &%@$# door in the building
8. No more TSA telling me to take off my shoes
9. No more TSA inspecting my flashlight for the 40th time
10. No more TSA telling me to remove my hat
11. No more TSA leaning in to smell my breath
12. No more TSA
13. No more gate agents taking their good ol' time printing the release
14. No more waiting for gate agents to give you access to your airplane
15. No more waiting for jetway drivers
16. No more calling ops to ask for said jetway driver & being told, "shift change"
17. No more flight attendants calling up front because it's too hot, cold, bumpy
18. No more flight attendants sitting in first class instead of providing customer service
19. No more flight attendants whining about not getting crew meals
20. No more flight attendants whining when they DO get crew meals
21. No more APU's deferred with no ground air carts available
22. No more waiting for the hotel van
23. No more roadside fleabag hotels
24. No more :40 van rides to the long-overnight hotel so the F/As can shop
25. No more apologies for being away on weekends, holidays, special occasions
26. No more watching flying be outsourced to the lowest bidder
27. No more watching ALPA spend dues on "strongly worded letters"
28. No more ALPA (thats the best part!)
29. No more delapidated "crew rooms"
30. No more junior manning or extensions
31. No more pagers
32. No more calls from scheduling at 2am to transition you from regular reserve to short-call
33. No more quick-calls to go to Akron and back
34. No more racing through the terminal and grabbing a McValue Meal during a 15 minute break
35. No more equipment changes every time you fly through the hub
36. No more nastygrams from the company whenever you're in negotiations
37. No more feeling ashamed at the lack of customer service the company provides.
38. No more apologizing for weather, aircraft size, ATC delays, mechanical delays, etc.
39. No more groundschools in converted hangars or old elementary schools.
40. and finally... no more turning on CNN every night and wondering whether the airline is still in business.

.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I wish I could've thought up another 10 so I could've made it an even 50. I'm sure if I sat down and thought about it....

 

[wahoo250]

I'll be happy to sit around knowing my paycheck is not based on hours worked. If you give me a paycheck thats the same wether i work or sit, i won't complain. $1.60 an hour to sit around...they can take it and shove it. its nice to be able to leave the airport while sitting to grab something to eat thats not terminal food. I guess im biased. ive done both and like the part 91 stuff a lot better. sorry.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I've done both myself, and corporate is soooo much better. I'm home almost every night, am treated well on the road, make more money, work less than half as much, and don't have to deal with TSA or ALPA. I love it!! My golf handicap is back down to a 5 again! I'll be tournament ready in another few months of practice.

 

[BenderGonzales]

No more horrifying, career altering, seniority integrations!

 

[Lear70]

Dude... this thread is a year and a half old. Where you been?

 

[BenderGonzales]

Looking at old threads.

 

[Future Furlough]

Did you resurrect the flying on a treadmill thread, too?

 

[captainv]

I turned down a corproate job earlier this year, the timing wasn't right for me.

pros:
fairly new mid-size bizjet with the latest toys
$70,000-plus to be the F/O
typed immediately
average work schedule 8 days a month
no pop-up trips

cons:
no outside flying
owner's wife is a nervous flier and wants the captain to fly the airplane when she's on board. (she's on board 98% of the time)
they cancel if there's weather or if it's dark

although I would've loved the pay and the QOL, I wasn't ready to just sit there and swing the gear. I would've taken it if I could fly for others on my days off, but they were dead-set against that. i think they found a retired airline guy to fly it instead...

 

[Flybet3]

I'd bail out of my CRJ Captain seat for a corporate gig if the new job met the following criteria:

1. Equal or better pay
2. Paid medical/dental for me and my family
3. Flight department must be an integral part of the business and not just a toy for the owner. I don't want the a/c getting sold if business takes a down turn.
4. Scheduled work days and scheduled hard days, in other words multiple crews.
5. The owner/operator pays all training costs/type ratings etc.
6. Some sort of reasonable 401K, bonus, and/or profit sharing plan.

I could care less what kind of a/c. Bonanza to Global Express. If it meets the above criteria I'd seriously consider making a move. Doing some international flying would be a nice change of pace. I wouldn't really care if I was gone a lot as long as I could count on my scheduled days off to be mine.

If the job you are considering meets these requirements and you decide to pass, feel free to PM me with the info.

You know for a Caveman you're a smart man. j/k But seriously that was a very good post. I've done the "corporate" side with a single owner and that job lasted no more than 2 years, and then did the "corporate" side of things with the "some 135" Yeah right, you mean all 135. I'll never understand why people by jets when they cant even afford them. If it's not the real corporate job Example, flying for Bank Of America, McDonnalds, Starbucks, Geico etc then stay put.