Who would leave for a corp job..

wahoo250

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This may be on the table for me. very good company high pay. I do enjoy where im at but the offer is with a good company. how many would leave. i know not a lot of info but dont really want to give too much. this is directed to captains at the regionals. pay about 20k more than most capt pay to start.
 
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I'd bail out of my CRJ Captain seat for a corporate gig if the new job met the following criteria:

1. Equal or better pay
2. Paid medical/dental for me and my family
3. Flight department must be an integral part of the business and not just a toy for the owner. I don't want the a/c getting sold if business takes a down turn.
4. Scheduled work days and scheduled hard days, in other words multiple crews.
5. The owner/operator pays all training costs/type ratings etc.
6. Some sort of reasonable 401K, bonus, and/or profit sharing plan.

I could care less what kind of a/c. Bonanza to Global Express. If it meets the above criteria I'd seriously consider making a move. Doing some international flying would be a nice change of pace. I wouldn't really care if I was gone a lot as long as I could count on my scheduled days off to be mine.

If the job you are considering meets these requirements and you decide to pass, feel free to PM me with the info. ;)
 

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Cave,

Wouldn't we all love a job like that! If you find that dream job, let me know once you're in the door!


Wahoo,

I bailed from the regionals as a Captain to do something outside of aviation. It didn't work out like I expected and now I'm flying for a frac. Pay isn't what I was making a year ago but my QOL is much better now and I have NO regrets about bailing from the airlines. It was a huge weight off my shoulders to get out of the airlines. My suggestion to you is objectively weigh the pros and cons of leaving where you're at for the new gig - leave any emotion out of it. If it looks like a better move to bail from the regionals then do it. Good luck in whatever you decide!


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I believe I'd have to agree with Caveman.

I would even consider a job that resulted in a cut in pay. Although I would have to consider how many nights away from home per month would be required. That is the primary reason I would give up my current job, too many nights away from family. Too many missed ball games, too many missed programs, too many missed everything.
 

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to be totally honest it meets all the criteria in the first reply. i wont know my schedule a month in advance but 2 weeks before isnt that bad. pay...cant beat it. im at a stable company right now but to be honest, this company has had a flight department langer than the airline im working at. 2 crews per plane. its hard to leave a good schedule though. thanks for the imput i apreciate it.
 

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I did it.

1. Pay was equal to start, but would increase at a faster rate (increase if you consider relocation and profit sharing)
2. Paid medical/dental
3. Flight department is an integral part of the business. No recreational flying.
4. Scheduled work days and scheduled hard days. Firm schedule of days off (rotation)
5. Type rating and FSI recurrent every six months
6. 401K and profit sharing

Best decision I ever made.
 

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wahoo250 said:
This may be on the table for me. very good company high pay. I do enjoy where im at but the offer is with a good company. how many would leave. i know not a lot of info but dont really want to give too much. this is directed to captains at the regionals. pay about 20k more than most to start.
I've seen really good corporate jobs, and really bad corporate jobs. Having done it before, I would definitely research and make sure that there will be plenty of HARD days off. I have no objection to slinging a bag every now and then or minor cleaning of the plane as long as the job pays well. Detailing airplanes, cleaning and maintaining the hangar, etc is not something that I wish to do in the future though. There's nothing better than having to come to the hangar on your day off to fix something that is broken. Stuff like that seems minor at first, but over time it can really begin to wear on you. Try to find out how the attrition is at this flight department..if there are numerous guys/girls that have been there for many years, then that says a lot. If they are hiring replacements every year or two, then there must be a reason for it. Best of luck, hope it all works out for you.
 

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Just gotta ask...

What is the big beef with working for an airline. I've worked for the airlines for almost six years now, and while it's not "perfect", it sure beats the hell out of a real job. For the record, I've been to two airlines, been furloughed, and been on first year pay twice. Has anyone here ever worked a real job?? Ever had to report to a boss every day..a la Lumberg, and had to "produce" or get fired. Ever had to work 80 hrs a week (and don't count that "i'm on duty while on a trip.) If I'm crazy...then...whatever, hopefully i can fool my AME, but seriously, it's not brain surgery...

Is it really that bad out there for you's guys?

"the grass is always greener, where the dogs are $hitting"....Soundgarden

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Mookie said:
Just gotta ask...

What is the big beef with working for an airline. I've worked for the airlines for almost six years now, and while it's not "perfect", it sure beats the hell out of a real job. For the record, I've been to two airlines, been furloughed, and been on first year pay twice. Has anyone here ever worked a real job?? Ever had to report to a boss every day..a la Lumberg, and had to "produce" or get fired. Ever had to work 80 hrs a week (and don't count that "i'm on duty while on a trip.) If I'm crazy...then...whatever, hopefully i can fool my AME, but seriously, it's not brain surgery...

Is it really that bad out there for you's guys?

"the grass is always greener, where the dogs are $hitting"....Soundgarden

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Agreed. I have noticed that as well. The ones who complain the most are the ones who have never had one of those beloved 9-5 office jobs. I have, and there is no desire in me to go back.
 

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"the grass is always greener, where the dogs are $hitting"....Soundgarden
Chris Cornell is now with Audioslave...Originally Soundgarden, I wonder which is greener...By the way going to the concert oct 29......cant wait.
 
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As there are alot of perks with the airlines, I can't fault a guy that is trying to potentially upgrade to a better job. I have several friends that have great corporate jobs and love it. For me personally I think if I can find a good corporate job that will let me sleep in my own bed the majority of the month for a solid company I will consider it. One I know, where my friend is at flies 3 days a week with no office duty. Maybe one or two RON a month with the schedule posted at the beginning of the month with good pay. To me that a good gig. But those types you really need to know someone and be around when they are looking. Which isn't too often.
 

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I dont think anyone is suggesting that a 9-5 job is a more attractive alternative (to each his own though. To be honest, if I could afford to fly recreationally, I think an office job sounds pretty sweet!)

What some people are suggesting, however, is that there are some corporate jobs that are in many ways superior to airline jobs.

Lets be honest with one another. Over the last 30 years -- but especially the last 10 years -- the airline pilot profession has taken a dramatic turn for the worse. From security (TSA), to retirement, to compensation, to labor/management relations, to terrorism threats, to fuel prices, to lousy crew vans, to 100 seat "regional jets"... the profession simply isn't what it once was.

Good corporate jobs eliminate many of those frustrations and uncertainties. So if an airline pilot has reached his or her breaking point, and the profession is no longer appealing to them, but they still love flying... why not explore other avenues in aviation?

That's what I did. I got very, very, lucky. Is this job for everyone? Maybe not. But my lifestyle today is 100% better than it was at ANY of the airlines i've worked for over the last decade.

Now if you would like to have a discussion regarding whether or not being a 1st year reserve F/O at a regional is better than a 9-5 deskjob I think we could have a healthy debate....
 

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Just saw Audioslave last week...unfreaking believeable. Chris sounded great, and the band was awesome. I"m jealouse.

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Copied from another thread

Copied this from another thread called, "How is the corporate world" over on the other forum:

Thought of a few more things that make me happy:
  1. No more hats (yes, I wore mine like I was told)
  2. No more ties
  3. No more dragging my rollaboard around with a 50 lb flight-kit attached
  4. No more dragging said rollaboard through ice/snow in the employee lot
  5. No more employee lot busses lacking air-conditioning, heat, and shocks
  6. No more waiting at employee lot bus-stops
  7. No more entering security codes at every &%@$# door in the building
  8. No more TSA telling me to take off my shoes
  9. No more TSA inspecting my flashlight for the 40th time
  10. No more TSA telling me to remove my hat
  11. No more TSA leaning in to smell my breath
  12. No more TSA
  13. No more gate agents taking their good ol' time printing the release
  14. No more waiting for gate agents to give you access to your airplane
  15. No more waiting for jetway drivers
  16. No more calling ops to ask for said jetway driver & being told, "shift change"
  17. No more flight attendants calling up front because it's too hot, cold, bumpy
  18. No more flight attendants sitting in first class instead of providing customer service
  19. No more flight attendants whining about not getting crew meals
  20. No more flight attendants whining when they DO get crew meals
  21. No more APU's deferred with no ground air carts available
  22. No more waiting for the hotel van
  23. No more roadside fleabag hotels
  24. No more :40 van rides to the long-overnight hotel so the F/As can shop
  25. No more apologies for being away on weekends, holidays, special occasions
  26. No more watching flying be outsourced to the lowest bidder
  27. No more watching ALPA spend dues on "strongly worded letters"
  28. No more ALPA (thats the best part!)
  29. No more delapidated "crew rooms"
  30. No more junior manning or extensions
  31. No more pagers
  32. No more calls from scheduling at 2am to transition you from regular reserve to short-call
  33. No more quick-calls to go to Akron and back
  34. No more racing through the terminal and grabbing a McValue Meal during a 15 minute break
  35. No more equipment changes every time you fly through the hub
  36. No more nastygrams from the company whenever you're in negotiations
  37. No more feeling ashamed at the lack of customer service the company provides.
  38. No more apologizing for weather, aircraft size, ATC delays, mechanical delays, etc.
  39. No more groundschools in converted hangars or old elementary schools.
  40. and finally... no more turning on CNN every night and wondering whether the airline is still in business.
(ahhh... I feel better now)
Did I miss anything? Feel free to add to this list.
 

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If it has all the QOL perks plus pay........GOOOOOO and don't even bother looking back!!!!
 

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I agree completely - if it's REALLY better, BAIL!

I'm a 5-year CA at Pinnacle and I've been applying to every good Corp job that's come available in Nashville for the last several years.

I only get about 12 nights at home per month, with a GOOD corporate gig you'd hardly ever see 12 overnights, much less anything more.

At a regional, you'll never be PAID to see Europe for 3 or 4 days at a time then go home and have a week off 'cause the boss is tired of flying after that long-ass pond hop.

These are just two of the more OBVIOUS reasons added to what everyone else has said.

Yes, this job is decent. No, I wouldn't trade it for an office job. But quite honestly, if I had a sure-fire way to obtain a 20% or better pay raise, nearly double the number of nights I slept in my own bed, and still had guaranteed days off, I'd RUN and never look back.

Just MAKE SURE that it meets the criteria mentioned earlier of STABILITY - Yum Brands, Coca Cola, and that Insurance group up north probably keep advertising every 4-6 monts FOR A REASON.
 

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Made my mind up, if i get the offer im Going...thanks for the imput. I hate working 14 hour days and getting paid for 5.5...doing it again today what a life.
 

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FurloughedAgain said:
Copied this from another thread called, "How is the corporate world" over on the other forum:

Thought of a few more things that make me happy:
  1. No more hats (yes, I wore mine like I was told)
  2. No more ties
  3. No more dragging my rollaboard around with a 50 lb flight-kit attached
  4. No more dragging said rollaboard through ice/snow in the employee lot
  5. No more employee lot busses lacking air-conditioning, heat, and shocks
  6. No more waiting at employee lot bus-stops
  7. No more entering security codes at every &%@$# door in the building
  8. No more TSA telling me to take off my shoes
  9. No more TSA inspecting my flashlight for the 40th time
  10. No more TSA telling me to remove my hat
  11. No more TSA leaning in to smell my breath
  12. No more TSA
  13. No more gate agents taking their good ol' time printing the release
  14. No more waiting for gate agents to give you access to your airplane
  15. No more waiting for jetway drivers
  16. No more calling ops to ask for said jetway driver & being told, "shift change"
  17. No more flight attendants calling up front because it's too hot, cold, bumpy
  18. No more flight attendants sitting in first class instead of providing customer service
  19. No more flight attendants whining about not getting crew meals
  20. No more flight attendants whining when they DO get crew meals
  21. No more APU's deferred with no ground air carts available
  22. No more waiting for the hotel van
  23. No more roadside fleabag hotels
  24. No more :40 van rides to the long-overnight hotel so the F/As can shop
  25. No more apologies for being away on weekends, holidays, special occasions
  26. No more watching flying be outsourced to the lowest bidder
  27. No more watching ALPA spend dues on "strongly worded letters"
  28. No more ALPA (thats the best part!)
  29. No more delapidated "crew rooms"
  30. No more junior manning or extensions
  31. No more pagers
  32. No more calls from scheduling at 2am to transition you from regular reserve to short-call
  33. No more quick-calls to go to Akron and back
  34. No more racing through the terminal and grabbing a McValue Meal during a 15 minute break
  35. No more equipment changes every time you fly through the hub
  36. No more nastygrams from the company whenever you're in negotiations
  37. No more feeling ashamed at the lack of customer service the company provides.
  38. No more apologizing for weather, aircraft size, ATC delays, mechanical delays, etc.
  39. No more groundschools in converted hangars or old elementary schools.
  40. and finally... no more turning on CNN every night and wondering whether the airline is still in business.
(ahhh... I feel better now)
Did I miss anything? Feel free to add to this list.



FurloughedAgain -

Thanks for reposting that. Wow. What a comprehensive list!

I've been living that same "dream" he's describing. I'll betcha at the same airline, at the same base, and with the same "soft landing" provided for the past few years.

Finding a corporate job that fits your life is tough, though, especially if relocation isn't an option. For now, a short commute, a descent crashpad and a left seat are about the only things I'm smiling about. The rest is aptly described above!
 

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That sounds like a good reason Wahoo, You'll never work a 14 hour day at that corporate gig. You'll never have to sit around in an FBO lobby cause they told you to be ready two hours ago. It really sounds like your making a good decision and I don't know if you've flown corp before but with my experience it tends to be more like reserve that line flying.
 

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Good luck Wahoo! Hope it's everything you wished for and more.

Lance is right about one thing, there's a LOT of sitting around and waiting at FBO's, depending on the company, some more than others.

However, I love to read and sitting around getting paid to read one of my novels or learning a new language from a Berlitz CD sounds like a nice life! :)
 
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