Who is Freedom and Why are they in my Backyard?

[SPIM]

I would like to point out that what makes the economy in the united states and for that matter the world effective is the ability for a company, that can produce a cheaper product, to triumph over another company making the same product but more expensively. The product that airlines provide or "SERVICE" is something that there not to provide pilots a job but to provide the MEN and WOMEN of the world and expediant method of travel. If you complain that one company is undercutting another then I think a socialist state would suit your needs better. The market forces will provide for an appropriate price level whether that is the cost of a ticket or the wage per hour of flight. If you dont like your pay quit and seek employment elsewhere. If you dont like the pay in the industry quit and seek employment elsewhere. Dont have your pay cut and complain if the company is loosing millions. Dont blame Sept. 11 because that was not the main reason to the predicament the airlines are in right now. No one forced anyone to become pilots. The unions are one of the main reasons why the airlines are in the predicament that they are in now. 300 k a year for a pilot who works 12 days a month( GET REAL). That had to have an effect on the airlines. The wage should be above min wage for the state you work in and it should be set to a level where the company will attract the kind of pilot they want. Nothing more nothing less. The companies responsiblity is too its shareholders not to its employees beyond providing them a comfortable place to work. The company should not discriminate but other than that they are perfectly within their rights to offer a pilot min wage. The counterbalance is that pilots of the quality they are looking for might not come at those low wages. This will in effect adjust the wage level appropriately. But in 30 years it will be moot anyway since you dont have to pay a computer to fly and full automation is just around the corner.

 

[ASADriver]

SPACE MAN:


AIRTRAN... YES they are WHORES... And that makes you the ULITMATE WHORE.. You are even more of a whore than AIRTRAN, JET BLUE (who wants to get rid of the 8 hour max block rule) and every other airline that thinks they can do it cheaper than the other guy.... If you could you would undercut thier sub-standard contract if that ment you could fly a "CRJ-1000" on their route.

AirTran is doing to DELTA, USAIR, UNITED, etc. the same thing that you have done in the past to all regionals, and will soon do to the Delta Connection Network!

I say "our" becasue you are an unfortunate part of the industry we work in.
Even though you are not wanted, you are here, and there is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you from whoring out your talents, or lack there of, therfore decreasing the ability of good hard working pilots to make this job worth its weight in gold.

SPACE MAN: Before you know it, you will feed AIRTRAN and JET BLUE, and you will own the entire DOMESTIC INDUSTRY; But the funny thing is that you all will have APES in the right seat becasue you will be working for FREE.
You have no legs to stand on Space man... You are the scum whore of OUR industry.. REALIZE IT

Av8tor,
YOU took a job at COEX under their OLD contract. Then you accepted a job here at ASA for 19.02 per hour and work rules that you obviously find unacceptable. Doesn't that make YOU a WHORE ????

 

[-9Capt]

What about the Airtran guys are they whores? They fly comparably sized equipment as Delta pilots for less money with only a 401k for retirement. Well, those SOB's are whores aren't they?!?!

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FYI: Airtran has a B-fund also.

 

[spitfire1500]

Scabs? Is anyone at Mesa old enough to be a scab?

Yea actually there is an Eastern scab working there!

 

[-9Capt]

SPACE MAN:


AIRTRAN... YES they are WHORES... And that makes you the ULITMATE WHORE.. You are even more of a whore than AIRTRAN, JET BLUE (who wants to get rid of the 8 hour max block rule) and every other airline that thinks they can do it cheaper than the other guy.... If you could you would undercut thier sub-standard contract if that ment you could fly a "CRJ-1000" on their route.

AirTran is doing to DELTA, USAIR, UNITED, etc. the same thing that you have done in the past to all regionals, and will soon do to the Delta Connection Network!

I say "our" becasue you are an unfortunate part of the industry we work in.
Even though you are not wanted, you are here, and there is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you from whoring out your talents, or lack there of, therfore decreasing the ability of good hard working pilots to make this job worth its weight in gold.

SPACE MAN: Before you know it, you will feed AIRTRAN and JET BLUE, and you will own the entire DOMESTIC INDUSTRY; But the funny thing is that you all will have APES in the right seat becasue you will be working for FREE.
You have no legs to stand on Space man... You are the scum whore of OUR industry.. REALIZE IT

Now I've seen it all. A turbo-prop and barbie-jet F/0 calling AirTran pilots whores.

I've got news for you kid, I paid more in taxes this year than you grossed.

 

[spitfire1500]

I think we'd all be better off if Mesa had let Freedum die once all of the jets were brought back under the Mesa certificate. But Mesa didn't, it put one or two B1900s on the cert to keep it alive, and to make Mesa marketable to a carrier like Delta.

Lets not forget: Delta is doing the 'end-around' on the scope. Mesa is the vehicle.
Delta is the bad guy here, not Mesa.

Mesa could have used the Air Midwest certificate, for the Delta deal. Take a look at the cover of a Mesa contract and see all the certificates included, Desert Sun, Florida Gulf, CCAir,Liberty and Air Midwest.

 

[spitfire1500]

Wait a minute! ALPA has denied some of them membership!

ALPA didnt deny any of them. Actually I think the Eastern scab that flies there was also brought back into ALPA.

 

[spitfire1500]

Spaceman Spiff:

You are the perfect example of why this business is in the TOILET.. YOU are willing to do the job cheaper than the next guy.. Then someone comes in and does the job cheaper than you, and because you are spineless you bend over for your managment and do it cheaper than the guy that undercut you!

TOILET BOWL SPIN TO THE BOTTOM THANKS TO JERK OFFS LIKE YOU.

At what point will you say HELL NO? Or are you willing to work for FREE?

As far as being a scab.... You are right by the definition of SCAB :"One that crosses the pickett line." Although you have not had the opportunity to cross yet, (I can tell your spineless being is salavating at the chance) I strongly believe you would. I believe this way because of the actions of you and your pilot groups for the past DECADE! All you have done is moved into established markests and undercut the guy that was currently performing the job. Therefore I call you and the freedom pilots embrionic scabs.. They are not quite scabs yet, but their actions of today represent their intentions of tomorrow given the opportunity!

Man looking at your AVATAR and info I cant believe someone is dumb enough to allow a hothead like you to carry a F'in slingshot let alone a gun.

 

[spitfire1500]

Spaceman Spiff:

You are the perfect example of why this business is in the TOILET.. YOU are willing to do the job cheaper than the next guy.. Then someone comes in and does the job cheaper than you, and because you are spineless you bend over for your managment and do it cheaper than the guy that undercut you!

TOILET BOWL SPIN TO THE BOTTOM THANKS TO JERK OFFS LIKE YOU.

At what point will you say HELL NO? Or are you willing to work for FREE?

As far as being a scab.... You are right by the definition of SCAB :"One that crosses the pickett line." Although you have not had the opportunity to cross yet, (I can tell your spineless being is salavating at the chance) I strongly believe you would. I believe this way because of the actions of you and your pilot groups for the past DECADE! All you have done is moved into established markests and undercut the guy that was currently performing the job. Therefore I call you and the freedom pilots embrionic scabs.. They are not quite scabs yet, but their actions of today represent their intentions of tomorrow given the opportunity!

Ahhhh an EMb145 type talk about "toilet bowl spin to the bottom Jerk Offs" what about all the mainline pilot flying youve been sucking up!!....But I guess thats Ok because its you and "its only a 50 seat jet (guess you werent flying one back in 95-96 when they were the issue...so its OK now)!
Reading your posts I am arguing with ignorance...a waste of time!

 

[aa173130]

Good Luck to all of you...

Whine, whine, whine all you want. Jesus, I come to this forum to get an idea of the industry trends and information about not just my airline, but others...I want to see when this thing will turn around...

The entire industry "IS" in the toilet... and it's not just the scum f_cks that crossed the picket lines (real or vaporous), or the low cost carriers (Southwest started this sh_t), or the cost of fuel, bad management (Delta's King) etc...

It's a culmination of all of these things... It was along time coming... business is business and only the strong and smart will survive long enough to evolve to the next level... Don't really know what this level is but that's why I've come here to this forum...

Good luck to all you bunch of F_cking Whiners...

Many of you agree(Spiff included), business is business and when there's a street fight, I want the guy who has proven he can fight dirty on my side, JO...

Don't bother responding to my text. I'm done reading this pile of mess...
The fact is: Mesa Pilots are done working for less than standard rates and rules, JO knows this... When the time comes and a new illperfect contract is signed, We'll all be pulling together to consume more of your market share...

Bunch of Whiners...

Love, your Mesa Pilot!