Who is Freedom and Why are they in my Backyard?

[Ben Franklin]

Capitalism is loosely based on the principle of "buy low" and then "sell high" with the hopes of retaining an excess amount in the end - "profit".

Pilots are, more and more across the spectrum selling their labor for less and less money, thereby minimizing their total returns effectively minimizing their end "profit" from their initial investment in their training.

When we sell for less and less, that is not capitalism.

It's cannibalism.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[av8tor4239]

Thanks Ben, you are right on!



SPACE MAN....> YOU ARE A WHORE TO OUR DELICATE INDUSTRY

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

see...the 300 hour guy gets it...why can't you?

I thought we liked capitalism in the United States reading these posts it seems like the pilots on this board dont. Socialism seems to be more in line with your(collectively) viewpoints.

People only like capitalism when they are the ones that get rich and famous. Otherwise they b!tch, complain and cry like a victim. Management is raping and pillaging the poor working class again!!! And those whores that work for less than me! How dare they encroach on MY/OUR industry!!!

av8tor4239 = another victim of the cruel capitalist society

I mean it makes ZERO logical sense av8tor4239 ...your airline performs with such high quality, why can't Delta see the light and pay you guys XXX,XXX? dollars a year...I mean you are worth it right? Is Delta just that stupid or what? Yeah, they must be.

What about the Airtran guys are they whores? They fly comparably sized equipment as Delta pilots for less money with only a 401k for retirement. Well, those SOB's are whores aren't they?!?!

I like how you always say "our" like we are not a part "your" industry. Therein lies the root of your attitude problem.

 

[av8tor4239]

SPACE MAN:


AIRTRAN... YES they are WHORES... And that makes you the ULITMATE WHORE.. You are even more of a whore than AIRTRAN, JET BLUE (who wants to get rid of the 8 hour max block rule) and every other airline that thinks they can do it cheaper than the other guy.... If you could you would undercut thier sub-standard contract if that ment you could fly a "CRJ-1000" on their route.

AirTran is doing to DELTA, USAIR, UNITED, etc. the same thing that you have done in the past to all regionals, and will soon do to the Delta Connection Network!

I say "our" becasue you are an unfortunate part of the industry we work in.
Even though you are not wanted, you are here, and there is nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you from whoring out your talents, or lack there of, therfore decreasing the ability of good hard working pilots to make this job worth its weight in gold.

SPACE MAN: Before you know it, you will feed AIRTRAN and JET BLUE, and you will own the entire DOMESTIC INDUSTRY; But the funny thing is that you all will have APES in the right seat becasue you will be working for FREE.
You have no legs to stand on Space man... You are the scum whore of OUR industry.. REALIZE IT

 

[Anais Nin]

Gosh av8tor, I feel so sorry for you! You are an angry little man! Please, seek help!

 

[av8tor4239]

I am not angry, Rather I am realistic..

It is my responsibility to my profession, myself, and those that have walked the line before me to uphold the standard that is required of a professional aviator.

There is no exception there is no excuse

The men and women before you did not walk the line in vien....

Families did not starve through strikes so you could whore your talents...

WE MUST HOLD THE LINE.... THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS ON OUR SHOULDERS!

 

[bitememesa]

Whaa!! Mesa Stole My Lunch Money!

Boohoohoo...people are getting all agitated sitting at their computers on a saturday night, complaining about how Mesa stole their lunch money.

Know what? Get over it. We won, you lost, and if your product had been superior in EVERY way, then your precious regional would have been the only one to aquire 60 new airplanes worth of flying in the last 4 weeks...ya dig?

Folks, the glory days are over. Period. We have lost the war to low cost carriers, and people that work at Air Tran, Southwest, Jet Blue et al, while your business plans seem foolproof, you will end up the fools when your costs rise and you are unable to raise your ticket prices and maintain your passenger base.

However, I would impress upon EVERYONE the fact that the only person who can successfully drive wages and compensation the other direction is you. You and your brothers at ALPA. You can be unified, you can be persuasive, you can take charge. You can GET INVOLVED and quit COMPLAINING. You want to win? Then take your next pay concession all the way to binding arbitration like the folks at Alaska did.

My advice to you if you're not ACTIVELY trying to raise the QOL at your airline: Come to work at Freedom and get in on the little secret meetings with Johnny O and his clan. Then you'll be a real winner...you got to talk to the most influential CEO in airline history besides Frank Lorenzo and Gordon Bethume. Well...Herb too.

Get over yourselves ego biotches.

 

[MINIME]

Gosh av8tor, I feel so sorry for you! You are an angry little man! Please, seek help!

Yes, he is angry but he's absolutely correct for the most part. It's no accident that Mesa is now in the Delta network. Comair has a nice contract and DAL would love nothing more than to get rid of it. ASA is trying to negotiate but Mesa's presence has the potential to make that more difficult.

I'm not trying to blame all Mesa pilots but I will put blame on Freedom guys. They contributed a great deal to make Mesa accept their current CBA. Now J.O. walks about this industry, free to underbid just about anybody.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Delta does not care about the quailty of Mesa's "product". Whatever that is. They care that they are CHEAP. Sucky airlines are the reason this job has gone down the proverbial toilet.

 

[OPECJet]

Hope you guys have your Freedom A list handy.....