Who is Flagship???

[e=mc2]

Please tell me that Flagship callsign is some pay for training freight place.

I have heard them on the freq. over the last three weeks and it is pathetic to hear them talk on the radio. One controller got so frustrated he had to tell all of us on the freq. to standby until he dealt with Flagship.

Who are these amatuers??????

 

[low-key]

wow there man you seem a little fired up. chill out a little...

I believe it is Pinnacle Airlines d.b.a. Northwest Express

 

[flyn96]

They are PFT, and alot come from Gulfstream Academy with 300hrs (see Vince's picture in Flight Training Magazine), and its Northwest Airlink on Northwest Express. Hope it helps

 

[Be200pilot]

theyve got more than 300hrs. the gulfstream program puts them out with about 300 hrs of 1900 time, most guys have more.

 

[flyn96]

OK maybe 350 but thats pushing it!!!

 

[flyn96]

True Story! Heard from a Capt in DTW the other day

ATC: Flagship 5XXX hold at BUGGE as published efc of 2050Z
FLG 5XXX: Uh, Can we just slow down?
ATC: Flagship 5XXX hold at BUGGE as published efc of 2050Z
FlG 5XXX: Uh, Can we just get headings?
ATC: Flagship 56XX I need you to hold
FlG 5XXX: Uh, We don't know how to program the hold?

 

[SDdriver]

If that is true, then that should prove the PFT problem without any doubt. See, real world! Put them in a training enviroment, great, put them in a REAL world situation, they don't have anything to draw upon.

The above situation is pretty sad. They don't know how to program the hold. OMG, how about you grab the yoke for once and fly them damm thing yourself. Jesus, go fly some freight for a year and learn how to really fly! I think they should have figured out who that crew was and taken both of their tickets away. They don't have any place in that plane with paying paxs in the back and they can't even fly a published hold. Oh god the autopilot broke, we are dead now, anybody in the back know how to actually fly a plane without an autopilot?? Aahhhh...BOOM.

Ok I am done, had to get that out...Sorry...

SD

 

[Longhorn]

Just to clarify some things...If you had a bad experience with some of our Flagship pilots, im sorry. Most of us are professional pilots who do our job well and dont F-up like that but if someone did, well...it happens. Second...We are NOT PFT. Yes, we do have some Gulfstream people here who did pay out the rear for the time and not all of us support it or are happy about it but that is what the company decided to do. For the last 12 months, 75% of out classes if not more have been furloughed NWA pilots who came here to keep current and do what they love to do, fly. I believe they have a 18 month commitment and 5 a month call back when it happens. I have been here for 5 years and did not pay for training. There use to be a program where as you had to pay 10K up front but were reimbursed over 30 months. Once again, not alot of us were happy about that either. Now, if you have less than 1200 tt and 300 multi and did not go through gulfstream, then yes...its pft but there are only a few of those here and i would say its less than 100 pilots...Im sorry you are so pissed about this holding thing in dtw. Yes, it makes us sound poor on the radios and like I said, we are not all like that. Every company has a few that are not quite professional but please, before you go off and start making statements like we are all amatures, PFT and the requirements to get here are 300tt and so forth, get the facts right.

 

[sleepy]

I thought some AE outfit was flagship?

 

[Longhorn]

I think there was a Flagship airlines that was bought but AE a long time ago. We have had that call sign since the Jetstream days in MSP...10 years back. I might be wrong about the AE thing, if someone knows, please correct me..

 

[sf3boy]

If I remember correctly, Flagship was one of the old Eagle carriers wit da Fokkers.

PFT at 9E? When did that go away. It was still active at least around 98-99 was it not?

 

[Longhorn]

In 1998-1999, they waived the pft if you had more than 1500 total and 500 multi. If you had between 1200 and 1500tt and less than 500 multi you paid and were reimbursed over 30 months. If you had less than 1200 you paid and that was it. Yes, we had some people who paid, and those that paid and were reimbursed but around 1999 and 2000, most of the guys were coming in with the 1500tt amd 500multi to avoid the 30 month contract or even paying. Keep in mind, yes there were still people who fell into those other catagories.....Then came the gulfstream contract which explains itself. Before 1998 I cant tell you what the policy was because i was not here. I was off flying freight.....

 

[e=mc2]

Sounds pretty sad if in a two person airplane they couldn't figure out a published hold, and fly it, let alone program it.

A lot of people learned that when they got an instrument rating.

 

[Longhorn]

I agree 100%.

 

[center]

I find it hard to believe that 2 pilots, a CA and an FO, both did not know how to hand fly a hold, or program a hold. Sorry, it just smells a little off.

By the way, with regards to low timers, we have many at our airline who sit relief who can program the FMS(C) quite well.

cheers

 

[flyn96]

Dude that example can happen to anyone NWA or 9E doesn't matter. Its about the training. You can have a bunch of Chuck Yeagers but if the training sucks especially on something highly automated like a CRJ the pilots are going to suffer in the end no matter how good they are.

 

[B190Captain]

If I remember correctly, Flagship was one of the old Eagle carriers wit da Fokkers.

Don't know about Fokkers,but I do know that Flagship was a American Eagle carrier based in BNA I believe. They operated SF340's and J31's back in 1992 out of MIA.

 

[njcapt]

You kids are a riot. Flagship Airlines was formed out of the merger of Nashville Eagle and Command Airways (both previous Eagle carriers) back in about 1991. They had bases in BNA (for a while) MIA, RDU and JFK. BNA closed when AA abandoned it as a hub. Later AMR whipsawing caused an ORD base to be opened up just before all the Eagle carriers merged. Flagship showed some real sack while negotiating a contract back in the late '90's, and was punitively downsized by AMR from 1200+ pilots down to 650 before the merge.

 

[acarpe3448]

I find this one really hard to believe. It's been a few years since I have flown there, but I spent a while in the training department and I know most of their Check Airman. I know that these pilots do not get through their checkrides or IOE without knowing how to hold. Also, I find it very, very hard to believe that any airline pilot who make themselves sound so stupid over the radio by saying they can't do the hold because they can't program it. I call B.S., someone with a bad past experience made this post.

 

[DTWFO]

That post sounds like complete B.S. Especially when it only takes two button pushes to do a hold. Someone just wanted to re-hash P-F-T again.

 

[flight-crew]

For some reason, Pinnacle decided to hire a boat load of foreign pilots over the years from every country in the book. I've never met so many pilots from so many different countries. And for a lot of these pilots, English was their second language. But they aren't bad pilots, it's just a language barrier.

 

[Simon Says]

This thread has all the makings of Flamebait on it. I am surprised that no Pea-Knuckle (sorry had to say it) guys have come on and defended their turf.

 

[XLR8]

What do we have to defend it for?? I like our company! We're growing like mad, upgrade times are short, we're flying a cool airplane. Say whatever you want, I don't really care what other people think, it beats digging ditches or being furloughed (trust me, I know).

 

[chperplt]

May be true, may not be... but sh!t like that happens. A few weeks ago, a Comair flight was going into Boston. They were cleared direct scupp to hold east as published. They asked the controller two or three times what scupp was. The controller came back with "you do have the scupp 1 arrival in your clearance, right?" After a little silence, the comair flight replied affirmative. They then proceeded to hold incorrectly.

 

[T-Gates]

Personally, I figured that everyone would realize that this was complete flamebait, so no "turf-defending" was necessary.

Everyone is prone to radio f-ups every now and then.

--03M