which fractional to go?

[MorePilotPay]

And don't forget

I believe competition is a good thing in a free market economy, unfortunately for others NetJets got the head start on everyone and without some type of major catastrophe (i.e. a labor work stoppage, corporate fraud) they will never be stopped.

Don't forget a little thing like, oh...I don't know, making a profit.

 

[VVJM265]

NetJets (I or A) for me...

The resumes went in to both NJI and NJA last week. From my perspective both companies look great. NJI is my preference because of the mission; I've spent most of my adult life flying overseas and really enjoyed that. NJA has a great contract, fleet, and the opportunity to do some international flying in some of the larger birds.


Flex does some international flying stuff but we’d have to move to Dallas. A buddy started there in December and he is enjoying it but they had to sell the house here. Likewise on the move with CS since we’re are about 30 min outside the 120 min circle. We need to stay put for about the next 2.5 years so that was the deal breaker. With NJI it’s a no brainer; with NJA, even if I have to drive or fly SWA to DAL every other week, that’s manageable and predicable.


Looks like there are just too many issues at Flops to even consider them.


So for me it came down to: not having to move; first year pay; variety & type of flying; opportunity to fly international; other bennies; equipment; and of course profitability. As always there are plusses and minuses with any job, but from the outside looking in - I think both NetJets companies beat all others hands down and I be more than happy at either.

Just my 2 cents.

So, waiting on the applications now; hoping to see you guys in training next January.

Best of luck to the original poster and to everyone else,
VVJM265

 

[LostComm]

Don't forget a little thing like, oh...I don't know, making a profit.

NetJets is under the Berkshire Hathaway umbrella, giving a great degree of latitude in short term strategy to ensure long term profitability (read: DEEP pockets).

We have the resources to fight the battles (ie. be in the red while dominance is asserted), so that the ultimate war is won (ie. ending up with majority market share and brand name recognition).

That's my take on the situation.

That and a five dollar bill will get you a coffee at starbucks

 

[ashaman]

Well stated. As a follow-up question, is the schedule at CS only 7/7? I know NJ has the 7/7 and an 18-day flying reserve also.

That's correct. CS is a 7/7 schedule only. NJA has both 7/7 (15.2 days/month) and a reserve schedule (18 days/month). However, NJA does not require training on days off. I understand (I may be wrong, no first-hand knowledge) that CS sometimes requires travel to/from training and/or training on days off.
Of course, the NJA 18-day (aka reserve) schedule pays significantly more than the 7/7 at either company.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Ashaman: That's not the way it works. sometime this year we are switching over to training on days on.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Ashaman: That's not the way it works. sometime this year we are switching over to training on days on.

When are they telling you that training will happen on your days on?

 

[Kikuchiyo]

If you can't get to work at the NetJets domiciles but you live close enough to one of the 25 CS domiciles, go there.

Okay, so my family stays here, but I rent/buy something w/in 120 miles of a CS domicile. The family lives about 3 hours drive from my pad, and I stay with them on my off-days, making sure to be back to the pad the night before the next duty day. What are the chances of getting called in on an off day with no notice & be expected to show within 2 hours? Or, stated another way, how much response time do they demand on your off-days? I can't believe it's like most military units that set a limit on how far you can go on your days off. Or is it? If not, then what's the point of the 120 mile requirement?

 

[ashaman]

Okay, so my family stays here, but I rent/buy something w/in 120 miles of a CS domicile. The family lives about 3 hours drive from my pad, and I stay with them on my off-days, making sure to be back to the pad the night before the next duty day. What are the chances of getting called in on an off day with no notice & be expected to show within 2 hours? Or, stated another way, how much response time do they demand on your off-days? I can't believe it's like most military units that set a limit on how far you can go on your days off. Or is it? If not, then what's the point of the 120 mile requirement?

I'm not sure that I understand your question. Are you saying that you don't live close to either a NJA domicile or a CS domicile? But you're thinking of going to CS and establishing a 'crashpad' near one of their domiciles?

I chose NJA over CS, so I only have as much knowledge of CS as I got during the interview. Someone from CS will have to answer your question about call-out times with them. I don't think that they would ever just call you out on an off day, though. I can tell you that NetJets doesn't care where you live, just that you show up on time. And they give you 10 hours notice. Also, they will airline you to wherever you want at the end of your tour (unless you end your tour by flying a company a/c back to your domicile). You have to pay the difference in fare, if any, between the ticket price to your domicile and the ticket price to wherever else you had them airline you.

Again, all other things being equal, the contract and compensation at NJA is clearly superior. However, if you can't easily get to work at NJA but you can at CS, and you're not willing to move, go to CS. I can't speak from experience, but they seemed like a very classy and first-rate operation when I interviewed there.

Good luck!

 

[d91papa]

I'm not sure that I understand your question. Are you saying that you don't live close to either a NJA domicile or a CS domicile? But you're thinking of going to CS and establishing a 'crashpad' near one of their domiciles?

I chose NJA over CS, so I only have as much knowledge of CS as I got during the interview. Someone from CS will have to answer your question about call-out times with them. I don't think that they would ever just call you out on an off day, though. I can tell you that NetJets doesn't care where you live, just that you show up on time. And they give you 10 hours notice. Also, they will airline you to wherever you want at the end of your tour (unless you end your tour by flying a company a/c back to your domicile). You have to pay the difference in fare, if any, between the ticket price to your domicile and the ticket price to wherever else you had them airline you.

Again, all other things being equal, the contract and compensation at NJA is clearly superior. However, if you can't easily get to work at NJA but you can at CS, and you're not willing to move, go to CS. I can't speak from experience, but they seemed like a very classy and first-rate operation when I interviewed there.

Good luck!

Will NJA airline a domiciled based pilot from home on day one of a tour if the start isn't from the domicile, and have you pay the difference in ticket price?
Seems to me one could avoid alot of drive time to be in position just to be airlined out of domicile on day on..also, it make sense if your home airport has alot more airline options than the domicile.l

 

[ashaman]

Will NJA airline a domiciled based pilot from home on day one of a tour if the start isn't from the domicile, and have you pay the difference in ticket price?
Seems to me one could avoid alot of drive time to be in position just to be airlined out of domicile on day on..also, it make sense if your home airport has alot more airline options than the domicile.l

No. You are on your own as far as getting to your domicile is concerned. Which means the ability to airline home and pay the difference will only work if you fly to work (at your own expense) rather than drive.

The fact that there are only five domiciles and very few jumpseating options sucks. There's just no way around it, unless one of the domiciles is convenient to you. It's a great place to be, though, if you can deal with the domicile issue!