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Some of the older models are a problem and one can expect it to be a mx hog. If you get a newer one, appropriate and complete pre-buy inspection then you are probably going to be ok. I have a friend who runs a flight department that has two Hawker's and one CJ and he has had very few problems with the H fleet. They are pretty reliable if you do some research before you purchase one. Obviously the older models are going to come back and bite ya, you usually get what you pay for though.
I personally would get a Raytheon service center to do the pre-buy if I was looking at buying one, surely they will find most things that may be a potential future problem.
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Some of the older models are a problem and one can expect it to be a mx hog. If you get a newer one, appropriate and complete pre-buy inspection then you are probably going to be ok. I have a friend who runs a flight department that has two Hawker's and one CJ and he has had very few problems with the H fleet. They are pretty reliable if you do some research before you purchase one. Obviously the older models are going to come back and bite ya, you usually get what you pay for though.
I personally would get a Raytheon service center to do the pre-buy if I was looking at buying one, surely they will find most things that may be a potential future problem.
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I can't speak for every facility, I hear a few still aren't allowing visitors, but most can now. That could change tomorrow if Homeland Security decides to change colors again. You need to be a U.S. citizen, or face a month or more delay getting an OK from Region.
Call the office at your nearest Tower during weekdays and ask for the latest status. I had some members of a local flying club over a couple months ago. And Big D's been over for a visit.
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If you have a pilots lisence, it is fairly simple to get into a tower. Call ahead and tell them that you are a pilot would like to take a tour.
A buddy and I visited a class B approach and tower last spring. I think it took them about a month to confirm that we were pilots and get the paperwork straight. They also checked out drivers lisences at the door. We got issued visitor badges and were escorted through the place but it was fun and informative.
A buddy and I visited a class B approach and tower last spring. I think it took them about a month to confirm that we were pilots and get the paperwork straight. They also checked out drivers lisences at the door. We got issued visitor badges and were escorted through the place but it was fun and informative.
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And wait in those horrible security lines, and be smashed in a cattle car.
No Thanks!!!!!!
I have to say that since I fly coporate jets, I hate to travel any other way. We (corporate pilots) are spoiled when it comes to the convience of travel. Ever time I go to school on an airliner I just cringe.
If this gentlemen has enough cash to own his airplane than it is worth the few million bucks.
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guy has 5 million to play with.
he can save alot of it going with a prop job. A jet is cool and nice. but honestly, its whats most cost efficient. I flew with a guy form the middle of the country who did work in louisana and south carolina. all he needed was a Navajo (full panther conversion) and did just fine. he didnt want a King air 200 for the comfort...as it was more than he needed.
whats his needs/wants? does he really really need a leather interior or just want it badly? can he do just fine and not care either way? does he want a jet for the prestige and cool factor? or is he fine with a prop either way?
you said 4-6 max passengers.
aparently 30-90 minute trips...perhaps 2 hour trips with some weather holding time.
a few trips a month....1 a week minimum it seems.
the more basic the plane....the cheaper it would cost to pay the pilot to fly it. get a beechjet, and your pilot pay increases dramatically over the navajo pilot....and a bit more over the king air pilot. so, thats something to weigh (yeah i know its a bad thing to say but its true)
so what are his comprimises and go with that. theres what he needs, and what he wnats. will he show up with 8 people one day and need that extra 2 seats hes never used before? will ne need those extra two seats for the additional golf bags or extra cargo he picked up at the destination? (not to mention the capacity of the plane to take that extra unplanned weight)
yeah it screams king air
-c90...at the space limit, and 200...great space, as well as the B100...it's quite efficient up at altitude, and works well in high terrain <flat rated engines to 250>
-it also screams CJ-1....dont forget the CJ1
-piper navajo panther conversion works well since you won't even need full tanks with those trips.
-piper cheyanne series.....fast planes.
-the Pilatus PC-12 would fit that bill very well.
-but if he really wants the ultimate in style, theres the Piaggio 180 Avanti. if it was possible to pick up chics with a plane on looks that one would do it....and its near 400 knots of speed. i dunno the cost of one tho.
i suggest the king air 200 or B100 overall. if hes going into smaller paved strips, this plane will land there just fine. i rode on a lifeguard B200 once into a pretty narrow and rough runway in Oakley KS and it was wonderful. it OWNZ the small runway environment....as well as the PC-12....consider....
final note: i wonder what a re-engined Jetstar with some WR FJ44-3 engines would be like....besides slightly underpowered.....the RANGE on those engiens would be phenominal.
he can save alot of it going with a prop job. A jet is cool and nice. but honestly, its whats most cost efficient. I flew with a guy form the middle of the country who did work in louisana and south carolina. all he needed was a Navajo (full panther conversion) and did just fine. he didnt want a King air 200 for the comfort...as it was more than he needed.
whats his needs/wants? does he really really need a leather interior or just want it badly? can he do just fine and not care either way? does he want a jet for the prestige and cool factor? or is he fine with a prop either way?
you said 4-6 max passengers.
aparently 30-90 minute trips...perhaps 2 hour trips with some weather holding time.
a few trips a month....1 a week minimum it seems.
the more basic the plane....the cheaper it would cost to pay the pilot to fly it. get a beechjet, and your pilot pay increases dramatically over the navajo pilot....and a bit more over the king air pilot. so, thats something to weigh (yeah i know its a bad thing to say but its true)
so what are his comprimises and go with that. theres what he needs, and what he wnats. will he show up with 8 people one day and need that extra 2 seats hes never used before? will ne need those extra two seats for the additional golf bags or extra cargo he picked up at the destination? (not to mention the capacity of the plane to take that extra unplanned weight)
yeah it screams king air
-c90...at the space limit, and 200...great space, as well as the B100...it's quite efficient up at altitude, and works well in high terrain <flat rated engines to 250>
-it also screams CJ-1....dont forget the CJ1
-piper navajo panther conversion works well since you won't even need full tanks with those trips.
-piper cheyanne series.....fast planes.
-the Pilatus PC-12 would fit that bill very well.
-but if he really wants the ultimate in style, theres the Piaggio 180 Avanti. if it was possible to pick up chics with a plane on looks that one would do it....and its near 400 knots of speed. i dunno the cost of one tho.
i suggest the king air 200 or B100 overall. if hes going into smaller paved strips, this plane will land there just fine. i rode on a lifeguard B200 once into a pretty narrow and rough runway in Oakley KS and it was wonderful. it OWNZ the small runway environment....as well as the PC-12....consider....
final note: i wonder what a re-engined Jetstar with some WR FJ44-3 engines would be like....besides slightly underpowered.....the RANGE on those engiens would be phenominal.
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Stay away from B100's I fly a B100 and hated ever min of it. Besides the fact that it is noisy you may have a zero fuel weight issue with that model. That could limit your passenger load. The wing on the 100 is not near as good as the 200. You can get an old straight 200 for a good price these days. That is what I would do if I were going for a King Air.
A new PC-12 for $3.5M
Excellent warranty. Reliable. Big inside. Comfortable. Quiet. Payload aroung 3700#s. Range around 1700nm. Goes ANYWHERE. Cost about $400 an hour direct operating costs. All at about 260-270 knots.
If it weren't for the REQUIRED 100 hour inspections, it'd be about perfect for your needs. But you have extra money to spend on those. They generally cost $5000-6000 for a 100 hour. Check it out. Wish I were in your shoes, I'd sell them on one.
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Excellent warranty. Reliable. Big inside. Comfortable. Quiet. Payload aroung 3700#s. Range around 1700nm. Goes ANYWHERE. Cost about $400 an hour direct operating costs. All at about 260-270 knots.
If it weren't for the REQUIRED 100 hour inspections, it'd be about perfect for your needs. But you have extra money to spend on those. They generally cost $5000-6000 for a 100 hour. Check it out. Wish I were in your shoes, I'd sell them on one.
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www.piaggioaero.com
395k @ 28000 ft
41,000 ft ceiling
max range 1750nm
cabin 5.74 ft high, 6.07 ft wide, 14.93 ft long, (super midsize jet size) at turboprop prices
PT-6A-66 engines
long range speed is around 310 kts
less than 5 mill new.
395k @ 28000 ft
41,000 ft ceiling
max range 1750nm
cabin 5.74 ft high, 6.07 ft wide, 14.93 ft long, (super midsize jet size) at turboprop prices
PT-6A-66 engines
long range speed is around 310 kts
less than 5 mill new.
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