Where do Ameriflight pilots end up?

[EatSleepFly]

I'd like to apply there in 6 months or so, but I don't think I will unless the pay improves some.

Good, go to Flight Express, make $35k, and enjoy trying to get that fractional job you want while flying a 210.

Or come here, make more your first year than you would at a regional. Be willing to move around, and upgrade to a Metro/1900 within a year. After three years here, you've got enough turbine PIC to get what you want, and all three of those years, you've made more than you would spending three years as an F/O logging switch b!tch time at [insert $hithole regional here].

What exactly do you think you're entitled to with your 600 hours anyways?

The overwhelming majority of people who have moved on to the bigger and better things mentioned early on in the thread are people who stuck around for a few years and gotten enough experience to make it worthwhile. A year or two isn't going to cut it. When have you ever heard of anyone with 1200 hours going to a regional then on to a major in under three years? That's right, you haven't. You won't here either.

Like anything, what you get out of your time at AMF is a direct result of what you put into it. But hey, if we don't pay good enough for your holy experience level, feel free to join the other lemmings at the regionals making $19k a year.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Good, go to Flight Express, make $35k, and enjoy trying to get that fractional job you want while flying a 210.

Cheap shot. How about "Go to Flight Express, make $43k your first year, upgrade to the baron around 6 months, make $46k your second year, if you don't first get a job flying an MU-2, Metro, 99, or Bandit at another cargo company."

If I lived out west, I would have gone to Ameriflight. I would probably have gotten in bigger equipment faster, and I would certainly have made less money in doing so. As it was, I went to Flight Express and now I'm chasing the kerosene PIC dream as well. Ameriflight is by all accounts a good company, and I don't need to slag it to know that I made the right decision for myself. I will say this: I've had a lot of jobs both in and out of aviation. All told, FLX has been the best of them.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Wasn't meant to be a cheap shot at your company, I've heard they are great to work for. I was simply making a point. Sorry to offend.

 

[Boris Badenov]

s'okay. I just hear often about how "dead end" flying a 210 is. That rankles when you know it's not true. I know at least one guy who went from initial 210 training to MD-80 in about 3 years (you out there yzf?).

Anyway, sorry I got my back up. Let's return to discussing the wonderful well-lit places freight dogs can end up!

 

[RefugePilot]

Wasn't meant to be a cheap shot at your company, I've heard they are great to work for. I was simply making a point. Sorry to offend.

They weren't always a great company. I had a slot in school with them a year before I started with AMF, but another opportunity came up instead.

I heard about long hours, questionable MX, and pilot morale problems. They were having trouble getting and keeping pilots, but 40k+ a year is probably solving a lot of those issues.

 

[woog315]

Good, go to Flight Express, make $35k, and enjoy trying to get that fractional job you want while flying a 210.

Or come here, make more your first year than you would at a regional. Be willing to move around, and upgrade to a Metro/1900 within a year. After three years here, you've got enough turbine PIC to get what you want, and all three of those years, you've made more than you would spending three years as an F/O logging switch b!tch time at [insert $hithole regional here].

What exactly do you think you're entitled to with your 600 hours anyways?

The overwhelming majority of people who have moved on to the bigger and better things mentioned early on in the thread are people who stuck around for a few years and gotten enough experience to make it worthwhile. A year or two isn't going to cut it. When have you ever heard of anyone with 1200 hours going to a regional then on to a major in under three years? That's right, you haven't. You won't here either.

Like anything, what you get out of your time at AMF is a direct result of what you put into it. But hey, if we don't pay good enough for your holy experience level, feel free to join the other lemmings at the regionals making $19k a year.

What on earth set off that rant? I won't go there for lower pay because I'm currently pulling in $4500/month flight instructing and they have a King Air here that I can start flying when I get to 2000 hours. I never said anything about moving on from Ameriflight quickly...I just asked where people were going. And I pretty clearly said I didn't want to go to a Regional, so I don't know why you're telling me to go there like the "other lemmings".

I'm looking for a job for the long haul, and I have bills to pay so I made a rule for myself- I won't accept less than $32k/yr for the next job I take. I don't care about flying the "big equipment", I care about being paid a decent wage and I'm nto going to move on until I can get that. I'd rather stay where I am- which I guess flies in the face of your assumption that I'm trying to jump around or somehow rocket to the top as fast as possible.

Anyways, that was an impressive FlightInfo resident jackass presumptive rant.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Anyways, that was an impressive FlightInfo resident jackass presumptive rant.

Thank you, but I feel it was rather lame. I can surely do better.

I was going to further explain my position, but I don't think I'll waste my time. Clearly, you have it all figured out.

 

[woog315]

I was going to further explain my position, but I don't think I'll waste my time. Clearly, you have it all figured out.

Sorry for refusing to accept McDonald's wages for a professional position- I have a lot to learn. I'm not gonna reply to you anymore because arguing with internet blowhards isn't my style.

 

[DirtyBeech]

If you think you're going to make any kind of "professional position" money with 600 hours you are more than deluded, unless you luck into some sweet corporate gig. Hell, first year Continental pilots are only making 27k.

 

[Popeye0537]

I'm looking for a job for the long haul, and I have bills to pay so I made a rule for myself- I won't accept less than $32k/yr for the next job I take. I don't care about flying the "big equipment", I care about being paid a decent wage and I'm nto going to move on until I can get that. I'd rather stay where I am- which I guess flies in the face of your assumption that I'm trying to jump around or somehow rocket to the top as fast as possible.

Anyways, that was an impressive FlightInfo resident jackass presumptive rant.[/quote]

4500 flight instructing?? Wholly hell, where is that job....I made $1000 a month and worked my azz of. I wouldn't make the move to AMF either if your making that kind of money but it's going to be hard to move to any 121 company without 135/121 time. But you can make serious money if you find the right coperate job, you just gotta get used to FBO rot and the 24 hour pager life.

 

[woog315]

If you think you're going to make any kind of "professional position" money with 600 hours you are more than deluded, unless you luck into some sweet corporate gig. Hell, first year Continental pilots are only making 27k.

I'm not trying to get a job right now... I'm trying to plan for 6-12 months down the line. I'm building 120+ hours a month now with a healthy amount of multi. Do you guys read the posts you respond to or do you just have a script of generic flightinfo flames that you pull from? I'm not looking for a lot of money, I'm just looking for more than 30k- thats not unreasonable. The money is out there to be made, you just have to look a little.

 

[satpak77]

Sorry for refusing to accept McDonald's wages for a professional position- I have a lot to learn. I'm not gonna reply to you anymore because arguing with internet blowhards isn't my style.

you are clearly a seasoned veteran to make this statement. Guess what 1000's of other guys did when they CFI'ed every day.

Oh wait, that part of the career step is gone now. Now you can go to your PFT RJ with 250 hours, thus creating a Generation of pilots with a sense of entitlement.

 

[time builder]

Really, guys, if he's interested and qualified, the job will be his at 1200 hours, "entitled" or not. The real question is: "are you up for single pilot, hard IFR?"

If the answer is yes, go for it, it'll make a better pilot out of you.

 

[woog315]

you are clearly a seasoned veteran to make this statement. Guess what 1000's of other guys did when they CFI'ed every day.

Oh wait, that part of the career step is gone now. Now you can go to your PFT RJ with 250 hours, thus creating a Generation of pilots with a sense of entitlement.

I don't know if that is supposed to somehow apply to me. I'm a CFI and intend to be a CFI until I get around 1500 hours. Expecting a decent wage for a job that I spent thousands of dollars to train for is not an excessive "sense of entitlement".

I expect a decent wage, and I'm currently getting a decent wage and I'll move "up" to bigger equipment when I get an offer that is decent. Sorry if that somehow offends your sensibilities. I don't understand why you guys are dogpiling me for holding out for decent pay? I thought thats what I was supposed to do.

It seems like most of the people in here arguing with me subscribe to the "accept ******************** wages in big equipment, because you'll get to the majors quicker." Well, good for you guys, and I wish you the best, but that's not how I look at it.

 

[DirtyBeech]

You find the entry level job that pays better than 30k for 1200+ hr pilots and let us know. I reiterate the fact that first year Continental pilots only make 27k. First year SWA guys make a base of around 50k. First year Fractional guys make 40-50k. That's a step beyond this mythical job you're looking for.

edit: I forgot about Flight Express, but tell me where 210 and baron time gets you. It gets you to a place like AMF or one of the regionals.