Where Can I Get the "NASA" form?

[pullmyfinger]

It does help

Yes it will. Where are you getting your info?



The filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or the FAR is considered by FAA to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:

1. the violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
2. the violation did not involve a criminal offense, or accident. or action under 49 U.S.C. Section 44709 which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
3. the person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
4. the person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA under ASRS. See paragraphs 5c and 7b.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Clearly a few missed the point.

As many here argued before in previous threads, the NASA form is not used to report an "incident" where you got yourself into trouble because you where a dumb arse. You also don't use it as a get out of jail free card. The NASA form was created to report safety related issues to improve the safety of our airspace system.

If you bust an ADIZ or do some other shat that was entirely your fault, the nasa form won't do more than create more paperwork for nasa. It won't protect you from certificate action.

Matt,

You are wrong. While not perfect the NASA form does offer the pilot proection when the Feds are after him or her and want to violate said pilot.
I have filed quite a few NASA forms at the airlines as well as Corporate. I suggest you carry some with you just in case.

 

[mattpilot]

I'm not saying it won't protect you.

I'm saying thats not the purpose of the form. The purpose of the form is/was for pilots to bring forth safety related issues without fear of reprisal by a government agency do to one's (either stupid or accidental) actions.

It was not designed to be a "oh, i fu.cked up - better fill out a NASA form" kinda form.

Do a search on this forum about previous threads discussing this form. Other members done a great job of explaining.

There's nothing more i can or will add to elaborate on the issue. Take it as you will.

 

[Snakum]

Where else but Flightinfo can a simple question turn into a throwdown in less than one page?

Read my mind.

Minh

 

[TonyC]

Clearly a few missed the point.

... It won't protect you from certificate action.

I'm not saying it won't protect you.

OK. Is it just me that's confused here?






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[4.0atRIDDLE]

They told us at Embry-Riddle not to worry about NASA forms, since we will never need one.

 

[siucavflight]

They told us at Embry-Riddle not to worry about NASA forms, since we will never need one.

Guess that is why it costs 40K a year there.

 

[minitour]

They told us at Embry-Riddle not to worry about NASA forms, since we will never need one.

LMAO

Second best post ever...next to the "bearded clam" one...

-mini

 

[mattpilot]

OK. Is it just me that's confused here?






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It must be you. Try not taking things ot of context.

Full qoute "If you bust an ADIZ or do some other shat that was entirely your fault, the nasa form won't do more than create more paperwork for nasa. It won't protect you from certificate action."

It will protect you if it was accidental or there are contributing factors not entirely in your control.

Example... If you fly an instrument approach you're not familiar with and that has a difficult to read approach plate, thus causing you to screw up (say you descent to early and cause a dangerous traffic conflict), you can report that on a NASA form, along with suggestions on how to make sure this doesn't happen to other pilots (like making the approach plate easier to read). Thats an "incident" this specific reporting system was created for.

The form won't protect you, however, if you go fly around without getting a weather briefing (including notams), and just shoot holes in the sky and "accidentally" bust a TFR that you could of found out about before the flight. Filling out a Nasa form saying something like "OOOPSS my dumb arse flew into a TFR i didn't know about because i was to busy to get a weather briefing. My suggesting to prevent such incidents from happening again would be for everyone to get a briefing before each flight" .......... no sh.it, sherlock! You will definitely not be protected under this reporting system from certificate action.

 

[TonyC]

Full qoute "If you bust an ADIZ or do some other shat that was entirely your fault, the nasa form won't do more than create more paperwork for nasa. It won't protect you from certificate action."

Welcome to Burger King, have it your way: full quote, in context.

And fully wrong.


There is no exclusion for "entirely your fault." Of course it's entirely your fault, or you wouldn't even be having the discussion. The pertinent distinction here is "inadvertent and not deliberate." If you "bust an ADIZ or do some other [mistake] that was entirely your fault" but it was inadvertent and not deliberate, then filing the NASA ASRS form will be considered "by FAA to be indicative of a constructive attitude" and will prevent the imposition of a civil penalty or certificate suspension even though a finding of violation may be made, other pertinent conditions notwithstanding.




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[FN FAL]

You are clearly an idoit!

Maybe you're thinking of those highway workers in Iowa over at IDOT.

 

[FN FAL]

They told us at Embry-Riddle not to worry about NASA forms, since we will never need one.

As career FO's, why would you?

 

[Rattler71]

It is my understanding the FAA does not even read the reports nor would they be able to. Just proof that one was sent is all they need so you do not have any certificate action(monetary fine or suspension) brought against you.


Rattler71

 

[kneeshoe]

They told us at Embry-Riddle not to worry about NASA forms, since we will never need one.

I'd like to know the "they" who said that. By the way Embry-Riddle has NASA forms easily accessible to all students and also has an in-house incident reporting system.
I read the quote on a post from Mini in a different forum and had to look up the original message, in pure disbelief that someone actually said that.

 

[TonyC]

I'd like to know the "they" who said that. By the way Embry-Riddle has NASA forms easily accessible to all students and also has an in-house incident reporting system.
I read the quote on a post from Mini in a different forum and had to look up the original message, in pure disbelief that someone actually said that.

It was the professors that taught Flamebait 320.



The particular lesson where the NASA form stunt is introduced is called "Hooking the Big One."











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