When would majors hire again?

[wanttoflyhawaii]

When is the predicted time majors such as United, American, Delta, Northwest, Continental, Hawaiian would bring back all of thier furloughed pilots and in how many years would we see new hires. I am very curious to see if I would start training earlier.

 

[Launchpad]

My guess on Delta is 2 years from now to start recalling the 1060 left on furlough. Depending on the hiring rate, that will take 2-3 years at least. So, I'd ballpark 5-6 years from now before DAL starts hiring again off the street.

Just a guess-

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[race#53]

i know one pilot who soloed in 1985 went to college got all the ratings and was told he was crazy to even try.....18 years later he is a SWA FO!!
Moral of the story is to follow your dreams, no one can guarantee what the future holds but yourself.

 

[Launchpad]

18 years from solo to a job? Yikes!

 

[Neubyfly]

American has over 2000 on furlough. More to come. Recalls (IMHO) will not happen until 2005. Then, AMR has said they can only retrain 40 per month. That seems very low considering they once hired more than 100 a month. IMHO, it will be at least 8 years until all are offered recall. There are obviously too many variables such as, the economy, more terrorist attacks, how many furloughees take better jobs (ie. JetBlue, SWA, Airtran, AWA, ATA, etc.) To sum it up; it's gunna be a LONG time until they hire off the street!

 

[pilotyip]

August 2007

In August, the first class of new hires will start at one of the majors, by June of 2008 it will look like the summer of 1997. Check the cycles of the lay offs in 83, 93,

 

[Heavy Set]

Flychicaga,

I like your Avatar! What was the post subject again?

 

[pilotyip]

correct for current majors

I was thinking of the legacy air lines UAL, DAL, CAL etc. The old time majors, the places everyone wanted to go, they used use airlines like SWA, ATA, even JB as stepping stones to get that "Legacy Major" job.

 

[calfo]

At Continental, we have a new system bid (for seats and aircraft) supposedly coming out this winter, to become effective next summer.

Word is, that up to 200 of the 400 furloughees are going to be recalled on this bid. Retirements are going to hit a major upswing through 2008, hitting 300+ for a year or two (a lot at an airline with 3800 pilots nowadays).

More word from the CalExpress guys is that up to half of their furloughees aren't coming back - they've been at other places for two or more years and would have to take a pay and major seniority cut to come back. Don't blame 'em...

good luck, guys...

 

[#1 Windmilling]

Doesn't CAL have over 600 on furlough from the mainline?

 

[Falconjet]

Fly Chicaga

Hey Chicaga: That is a great avatar, and I always look forward to seeing the beauties you post. But technically speaking, SW isn't actually hiring right now and JetBlue isn't a major (yet, yeah I know, it will be one day soon, don't attack BluePeople). Yes ATA is hiring, and I think they are the only major hiring right now. Keep up the good work with the pictures!

 

[jetblue320]

Major Status?

Hey Chicaga: That is a great avatar, and I always look forward to seeing the beauties you post. But technically speaking, SW isn't actually hiring right now and JetBlue isn't a major (yet, yeah I know, it will be one day soon, don't attack BluePeople). Yes ATA is hiring, and I think they are the only major hiring right now. Keep up the good work with the pictures!

FYI, I do not think ATA reached major status. According to a google search, America West is the only airline to reach "major" status since the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978. If ATA was a major before that, I stand corrected. I am pretty sure though. Also, Alaska Airlines was right before America West.

And, not an attack, but JBU appears to be poised for major status by the end of 2003.

 

[B190Captain]

Re: Major Status?

FYI, I do not think ATA reached major status. According to a google search, America West is the only airline to reach "major" status since the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978. If ATA was a major before that, I stand corrected. I am pretty sure though. Also, Alaska Airlines was right before America West.

And, not an attack, but JBU appears to be poised for major status by the end of 2003.

FYI, Yes ATA has achieved major status. This was taken directly from the ATA site.

Milestones 1973 Year founded
1981 Air carrier status approved
1986 Scheduled passenger service begins
1992 Scheduled service hub opens at Chicago-Midway
1999 Surpassed $1 billion in annual revenue
2000 "Major Carrier" status achieved
2001 Begins re-fleeting process and scheduled service from Chicago-Midway to international destinations.
2002 ATA becomes the number one carrier from both Indianapolis International Airport and Chicago-Midway, and the third largest carrier overall in Chicago, based on the number of passengers flown.
2003 ATA announces a company name change from American Trans Air, Inc. to ATA Airlines, Inc.


Google sucks!

 

[calfo]

Continental has about 400+- on furlough from mainline, Express had (?) about 200+- on furlough.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Re: Major Status?

FYI, I do not think ATA reached major status. According to a google search, America West is the only airline to reach "major" status since the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978. If ATA was a major before that, I stand corrected. I am pretty sure though. Also, Alaska Airlines was right before America West.

And, not an attack, but JBU appears to be poised for major status by the end of 2003.

I don't think people realize that ATA is bigger than JetBlue and Airtran, until sometime in '04, and has been a major for awhile. Apparently the blue koolaid is powerful stuff.

It doesn't help that when Jetblue so much as announces blue colored snacks it ends up on the national news. ATA gets no respect.

 

[Dennis Miller]

Re: correct for current majors

I was thinking of the legacy air lines UAL, DAL, CAL etc. The old time majors, the places everyone wanted to go, they used use airlines like SWA, ATA, even JB as stepping stones to get that "Legacy Major" job.

So if SWA, ATA, JB are stepping stones what is Ck Capt DA-20 Cargo ops? The stoner people stepped on? A little angry at the Fonz Potsy?

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Re: correct for current majors

So if SWA, ATA, JB are stepping stones what is Ck Capt DA-20 Cargo ops? The stoner people stepped on? A little angry at the Fonz Potsy?

Dude, you even sound like Dennis Miller! I needed a good laugh!

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Everbody wants to work at SWA someday. CAL is a stepping stone for SWA, just get the 737 type and go to Southwest. Heck CAL is a stepping stone for Skywest probably these days.

The safest bet is probably the regionals or maybe SWA. But what do I know, I've only been making good money at the regionals for a long time. I think I'll keep this left seat warm for....me!! LOL

 

[lineflyer1]

I love this post being brought back to life.

It proves not one of us knows whats going to happen in the future.

Riddle me this! Why all this desire to make it to the majors?

Is it to fly a big airplane, is it to get good pay, is it to impress the ladies?

 

[pilotyip]

2012 some of the majors will be hiring, BTW what is a major, used to 1B revenue, I think Airtran and JB do that now days, so are they majors? if so AT is already hiring, all part of the 2012 hiring boom.