When asking the GOV'T for Money, don't fly your Corporate Jet!!!!!

[General Lee]

I think companies should get rid of computers and telephones too! Especially if they coming begging for money.

Yeah, and they should all go to work in their boxers! Talk about being way off, you take the cake. When there is a form of alternate transportation that costs less (like Airline travel), then TAKE IT when it is time to beg the Gov't for money. It is not like the CEOs will have less security, they are poor and are begging for money. It is just another excuse to fly above the rest---an entitlement problem. If they are going broke, they need to act like it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JungleJett]

Hey General..do you fly for the airlines?

 

[Hung Start]

No, General,, I am staying on topic.

The reason these CEOs fly private is because of the terrible service and security that most of the airlines are providing. Period.

I am not going to debate whether these folks are worth the salaries and bonus they get, that is for their Board of Directors to figure out. But, if you are paying someone in the millions of dollars a year, you want that guy to be productive. A lot. One can easily be very productive on a private flight.
One simply cannot be productive on the airlines, with all the craziness that goes on.
I also will not play silly and throw in accidents and incidents as described above, because that could happen to any industry. I DID include the overflight, because that was just plain stupid. I suspect we both will agree on that.

Hung

 

[OPECJet]

Yeah, how about that GIII that crashed at ASE with 15 people on board at night! Sounds fun to me! Do you think they were in a hurry? SkyWest does it every night in a CR7, but hey, they aren't corporate pilots (AKA studs!). I think that GIII pilot needed a windcheck himself.


Here is part of the NTSB report:

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]HISTORY OF FLIGHT[/FONT]​

On March 29, 2001, about 1901:57 mountain standard time,

1 a Gulfstream III,

N303GA, owned by Airbourne Charter, Inc., and operated by Avjet Corporation of
Burbank, California, The flight was being operated on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight​

plan under 14 [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Code of Federal Regulations [/FONT](CFR) Part 135



Bye Bye--General Lee
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We aren't corporate pilots either General. Interesting comparison on our own message board what our operation resembles the most. Corporate or airline. We think it's something in between the two. Operationally, it's most definitely an airline.

Hah, 495 of us, me included are unemployed pilots anyway. Might turn me into one of those corporate pilots, but you can't take the airline out of the pilot anymore than you can take the ho out of the trailer park.

Show me in that accident report where it says anything about it being a fractional flight? Looks like your every day run of the mill charter to me. No difference between me pulling up an accident with a 737, 757, 767, MD80, etc and trying to draw the same comparison. That bucket just doesn't hold water my friend.

 

[Hung Start]

Yeah, and they should all go to work in their boxers! Talk about being way off, you take the cake. When there is a form of alternate transportation that costs less (like Airline travel), then TAKE IT when it is time to beg the Gov't for money. It is not like the CEOs will have less security, they are poor and are begging for money. It is just another excuse to fly above the rest---an entitlement problem. If they are going broke, they need to act like it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,,there is always a form of cheaper alternative transportation. Shall we all take the railroad and skip air travel?
Yes, there are a few who like to "ride above the rest" and feel entitled. But they are damn few.
The great majority fly private becasue of the efficiency, security, and productivity it provides.
When the airlines can deliver that, then the fractional world WILL be out of business. But, I don't think that will happen soon.

And I doubt your airlines' choice of charging silly money for a bag or two is a very smart move. Keep chasing them away, General. As I said before, you really should spend more of your time fixing your industry. It certainly needs it.

Hung

 

[General Lee]

Hey General..do you fly for the airlines?

You bet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

No, General,, I am staying on topic.

The reason these CEOs fly private is because of the terrible service and security that most of the airlines are providing. Period.

I am not going to debate whether these folks are worth the salaries and bonus they get, that is for their Board of Directors to figure out. But, if you are paying someone in the millions of dollars a year, you want that guy to be productive. A lot. One can easily be very productive on a private flight.
One simply cannot be productive on the airlines, with all the craziness that goes on.
I also will not play silly and throw in accidents and incidents as described above, because that could happen to any industry. I DID include the overflight, because that was just plain stupid. I suspect we both will agree on that.

Hung

You need to re-read the article that is the topic of this thread. If they are BEGGING for money, stay off corporate jets. It is common sense. If you are doing very well, and the board approves it, fly corporate all you want. Waste away if you need to. Whatever.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JungleJett]

You bet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

For who?

 

[stingray]

You need to re-read the article that is the topic of this thread. If they are BEGGING for money, stay off corporate jets. It is common sense. If you are doing very well, and the board approves it, fly corporate all you want. Waste away if you need to. Whatever.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes In any job or business or any facet in life a few people will abuse or misuse

Yes private or corporate aviation is expensive. it is by no means a waste, its a savings. It is a hugh time savings. I would not want management of the companies im invested in to waste 2 or 3 days to travel to get a business meeting in. when it can be done in a day or less. a lot of meetings need to be done face to face

You will never see an airline adjust their schedule, so a company can get their management to a meeting so they can do business. In Business meetings pop up all the time, sometimes you just need to go with very little notice, the airlines can not acommadate this so now you would lose that business if it wasn't for corporate avaiation, if a company had to rely on airlines to get them there in time to make the deal a lot of business will be lost.

Corporate or private aviation flys on the clients or their companys schedule to meet their needs. "Airlines never do and never will"

Some people are just very short sighted

 

[linder]

Am I missing something here? I didn't see anything in the article about the banks asking for more money. I was a meeting about what happened and why.

Since all money lent to the banks (most of them) was repaid with a huge profit to the government, I say give them some more. If these banks are making a profit now then it's only the business of the stockholders if they want to fly the corporate jet.

 

[Pervis]

Why do you guys bother with this boob? His opinions mean nothing. A good debate is one thing. It's not possible with someone who's arrogance is surpased only by his ignorance.

 

[jonjuan]

You need to re-read the article that is the topic of this thread. If they are BEGGING for money, stay off corporate jets. It is common sense. If you are doing very well, and the board approves it, fly corporate all you want. Waste away if you need to. Whatever.


Bye Bye--General Lee

What % of your 401K was invested in Goldman Sachs last year?
"You NEED me on that plane. You WANT me on that plane."

 

[JungleJett]

Maybe if airline travel was reliable, safer, efficient, and a pleasant experience, maybe they would.

I can think of another large group of businesses who took money from the government to survive.....post 9/11.

The airlines are their own worst enemy.

It is not like the CEOs will have less security

By the way, how many people have tried to blow up their underwear on a corporate jet?? How many biz jets have been hijacked and flown into buildings?

 

[General Lee]

For who?

Looking at my profile, it is either DL, AA, or CAL. Who do you fly for?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JungleJett]

Looking at my profile, it is either DL, AA, or CAL. Who do you fly for?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Uncle Sam right now.....

I am thinking CAL for you...