When asking the GOV'T for Money, don't fly your Corporate Jet!!!!!

[stingray]

Looking at my profile, it is either DL, AA, or CAL. Who do you fly for?


Bye Bye--General Lee[/QUOTE

These airlines you have listed above "which one is you" are involved in corporate aviation more then some realize!

 

[General Lee]

Or maybe you're afraid you couldn't handle the embarrassment of being identified?
Sorry there's a huge gap between playing Don't Ever Land There Again and bringing up the deaths of the ASE GIII pax.
Nope, not gonna whistle past the graveyard and joke about the TSA or fatal accidents and play who is safer.

Shame on you.

Not being identified? This is an ANONYMOUS board. If you wanted to be identified, then use your real name. Hello McFly?

And good old OPEC Jet stated that an airliner was dangerous because one landed on a taxiway, which was dangerous and thank gawd nobody got hurt. Well, it happens on the corporate side too, except this one killed 17 people. Safety first, and sometimes it just doesn't happen unfortunately.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Looking at my profile, it is either DL, AA, or CAL. Who do you fly for?


Bye Bye--General Lee[/QUOTE

These airlines you have listed above "which one is you" are involved in corporate aviation more then some realize!

Sure, that would be Delta Air Elite. Delta doesn't own any of those planes, but does give Medallion points and awards to people who do use those high priced jets.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jppt2000]

Not being identified? This is an ANONYMOUS board. If you wanted to be identified, then use your real name. Hello McFly?

And good old OPEC Jet stated that an airliner was dangerous because one landed on a taxiway, which was dangerous and thank gawd nobody got hurt. Well, it happens on the corporate side too, except this one killed 17 people. Safety first, and sometimes it just doesn't happen unfortunately.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I was stating the obvious, I see you relish hiding behind a pseudonym.
You haven't again brought any original ideas and/or thought, with you.
But hey it's the internet, you can troll all you want for attention, that inferiority complex must cause you great pain.

 

[pilot772]

How many people have tried nefarious acts on corporate planes? Good question, we don't know. Could a GIII hurt a building? You bet. That is why Congress and the TSA are looking into better security for that sector. Do you know every customer at a fractional? When people buy Marquis Cards, are they known well by Netjets employees? Anyone can buy one, and that makes it difficult. Are the passengers frisked or luggage checked? That may need to change. Don't think it couldn't happen to you. I love your over confidence. Until 9-11, we never had to really think about it on the airline side either.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Pax do have background checks when they purchase a share/card. Also every flight's manifest is ran against the no fly list. Some FBO's do have security now and they do x-ray bags already Boston being one of them.

 

[Farmer]

Am I missing something here? I didn't see anything in the article about the banks asking for more money. I was a meeting about what happened and why.

Since all money lent to the banks (most of them) was repaid with a huge profit to the government, I say give them some more. If these banks are making a profit now then it's only the business of the stockholders if they want to fly the corporate jet.

Yea General, who was begging? You failed to reply to this when it is the basis of your post.

Bank of America flew their private jet and has also paid the TARP and TIP money back. JPMorgan has done the same. This is just another example of careless news reporting showing that there is an upper class that lives better than the rest of us. Good for them. I would love to live their “American Dream” someday myself, but it takes a lot of hard work and I am just a lazy pilot.

There is no comparison when talking about private jet travel compared to flying on the airlines. We are simply faster, more flexible, more comfortable and will bend over backwards to keep the passengers completely satisfied. For us, customers are taken care of from the time they arrive at the FBO until we wave goodbye as they pull away at the destination. This convenience comes at a cost, but many businesses and individuals find it economically advantageous to have a tool like this in their hands.

And yes, we can get out of TEB quicker than you can get out of EWR and go to smaller airports that don’t have EDC times.

I don’t quite understand your general hate for fractionals and corporate aviation. This isn’t a competition. I have flown for both airlines and fractionals. There are positives and negatives with each one, but we are all just pilots trying to make a living and hold a job for more than 5 years. Both sides are going to have accidents and, in my opinion, neither is safer than the other. One thing I can say is that you are a complete jackass for bringing up fatal accidents to try and prove your silly point on here. Really, just think about that last sentence for a little bit.....

 

[General Lee]

Yea General, who was begging? You failed to reply to this when it is the basis of your post.

Bank of America flew their private jet and has also paid the TARP and TIP money back. JPMorgan has done the same. This is just another example of careless news reporting showing that there is an upper class that lives better than the rest of us. Good for them. I would love to live their “American Dream” someday myself, but it takes a lot of hard work and I am just a lazy pilot.

There is no comparison when talking about private jet travel compared to flying on the airlines. We are simply faster, more flexible, more comfortable and will bend over backwards to keep the passengers completely satisfied. For us, customers are taken care of from the time they arrive at the FBO until we wave goodbye as they pull away at the destination. This convenience comes at a cost, but many businesses and individuals find it economically advantageous to have a tool like this in their hands.

And yes, we can get out of TEB quicker than you can get out of EWR and go to smaller airports that don’t have EDC times.

I don’t quite understand your general hate for fractionals and corporate aviation. This isn’t a competition. I have flown for both airlines and fractionals. There are positives and negatives with each one, but we are all just pilots trying to make a living and hold a job for more than 5 years. Both sides are going to have accidents and, in my opinion, neither is safer than the other. One thing I can say is that you are a complete jackass for bringing up fatal accidents to try and prove your silly point on here. Really, just think about that last sentence for a little bit.....

My point was that safety is in the eye of the beholder. I wasn't making fun of any accident, rather pointing out that unfortunate things can happen in different parts of this industry. OPECJET loves to slam the airlines, yet can't see that accidents happen all over. That was my point.

Have a great one, and if ANYONE on here is thinking about asking the GOV'T for money or going to see them AFTER you did, try the airlines instead of a corporate jet. It just looks better----which was the point of this whole thread.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Pax do have background checks when they purchase a share/card. Also every flight's manifest is ran against the no fly list. Some FBO's do have security now and they do x-ray bags already Boston being one of them.

Oh come on now. Since when do they have to announce who gets on one of your planes? If they decide to bring whoever, they can bring them at the last minute. How can you clear that? If an owner wants to bring a hooker onboard, there is nothing you can do about it, and same goes for someone else who may have nefarious intentions. Also, the owner decided which FBO you fly out of or into, and he/she may pick the one that doesn't have a scanner, or just pick a city outside BOS with a smaller FBO. Lot's of loopholes, which might not be safe.


So, after all this controversy, I bid adeiu. You guys have fun with this thread, since all I wanted do was point out the hypocracy of CEOs bringing themselves to Congress in their shiny jets, asking for handouts or thanking them for handouts. When will they ever learn? Bye now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jppt2000]

My point was that safety is in the eye of the beholder. I wasn't making fun of any accident, rather pointing out that unfortunate things can happen in different parts of this industry. OPECJET loves to slam the airlines, yet can't see that accidents happen all over. That was my point.

Have a great one, and if ANYONE on here is thinking about asking the GOV'T for money or going to see them AFTER you did, try the airlines instead of a corporate jet. It just looks better----which was the point of this whole thread. Sheeesh.


Bye Bye---General Lee

More Passive Aggressive tripe
Good Job back-pedaling, although it's not gonna work.

 

[jppt2000]

Oh come on now. Since when do they have to announce who gets on one of your planes? If they decide to bring whoever, they can bring them at the last minute. How can you clear that? If an owner wants to bring a hooker onboard, there is nothing you can do about it, and same goes for someone else who may have nefarious intentions. Also, the owner decided which FBO you fly out of or into, and he/she may pick the one that doesn't have a scanner, or just pick a city outside BOS with a smaller FBO. Lot's of loopholes, which might not be safe.


So, after all this controversy, I bid adeiu. You guys have fun with this thread, since all I wanted do was point out the hypocracy of CEOs bringing themselves to Congress in their shiny jets, asking for handouts or thanking them for handouts. When will they ever learn? Bye now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I guess those friends you claim to have at Netjets told you this completely wrong crap too?.

 

[JungleJett]

disregard...

 

[Semore Butts]

Wrong again general, man, your just so hateful, whats your deal?

General said: Oh come on now. Since when do they have to announce who gets on one of your planes? If they decide to bring whoever, they can bring them at the last minute. How can you clear that? If an owner wants to bring a hooker onboard, there is nothing you can do about it, and same goes for someone else who may have nefarious intentions. Also, the owner decided which FBO you fly out of or into, and he/she may pick the one that doesn't have a scanner, or just pick a city outside BOS with a smaller FBO. Lot's of loopholes, which might not be safe.

Sorry, wrong, I'm sure we do it pretty much the same as your company. Ask your netjet friends to explain it to you, I'm not going into details to please your ignorance.


So, after all this controversy, I bid adeiu. You guys have fun with this thread, since all I wanted do was point out the hypocracy of CEOs bringing themselves to Congress in their shiny jets, asking for handouts or thanking them for handouts. When will they ever learn? Bye now.

How about the hypocracy of the government officials being jetted all over? Most of them were voted into the positions they are in. None of them are where they are from making money for the companies they represent.

You really "bid adeiu" because you got your ass handed to you. What is an airline guy even doing on this section anyway?

I can see you siding with the government on this issue, you seem to have the same elitist attitude.

 

[X-rated]

Oh come on now. Since when do they have to announce who gets on one of your planes? If they decide to bring whoever, they can bring them at the last minute. How can you clear that? If an owner wants to bring a hooker onboard, there is nothing you can do about it, and same goes for someone else who may have nefarious intentions. Also, the owner decided which FBO you fly out of or into, and he/she may pick the one that doesn't have a scanner, or just pick a city outside BOS with a smaller FBO. Lot's of loopholes, which might not be safe.


So, after all this controversy, I bid adeiu. You guys have fun with this thread, since all I wanted do was point out the hypocracy of CEOs bringing themselves to Congress in their shiny jets, asking for handouts or thanking them for handouts. When will they ever learn? Bye now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

That's absolute crap. At my company, and I assume all fractionals, every single passenger's ID is checked by the crew against the manifest and no fly list. The flight cannot be released until the no fly list has been run for every passenger. If that means taking a 5 min delay while dispatch runs the names through the computer, so be it.

This thread is ridiculous. The hack that wrote the article failed to realize these bankers aren't asking for money. They're meeting to determine what went wrong last time, and to figure out how to prevent it in the future. Nearly all of those in attendance have paid back every penny of the TARP money plus interest.

I would expect more from a professional aviator. It was an outrageous article meant to further inflame the masses based on biased and sensationalized reporting. That article was about selling newspapers and class warfare. Then you jump on the band wagon to support your ridiculous agenda. You may as well go on NBC after the next air disaster and speculate wildly on what went wrong. You are an embarrassment to Delta and our profession.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm gonna say it in caps, just so the General understands:

NOBODY WAS BEGGING FOR UNCLE SAM'S MONEY YESTERDAY.

The bankers were called before Congress for a hearing by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.

Showing up in a business jet, after being called to testify before Congress, is NOT the same thing as putting your hand out and asking for money.

Anybody with a 3rd grade reading comprehension level should have been able to glean as much from the first two paragraphs of the article Gen Lee posted...

 

[2EASYPilot]

Uncle Sam right now.....

I am thinking CAL for you...

Try the mighty Delta...

 

[JungleJett]

I think that the good General is a management type...or union leadership.

 

[stingray]

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[stingray]

That's absolute crap. At my company, and I assume all fractionals, every single passenger's ID is checked by the crew against the manifest and no fly list. The flight cannot be released until the no fly list has been run for every passenger. If that means taking a 5 min delay while dispatch runs the names through the computer, so be it.

This thread is ridiculous. The hack that wrote the article failed to realize these bankers aren't asking for money. They're meeting to determine what went wrong last time, and to figure out how to prevent it in the future. Nearly all of those in attendance have paid back every penny of the TARP money plus interest.

I would expect more from a professional aviator. It was an outrageous article meant to further inflame the masses based on biased and sensationalized reporting. That article was about selling newspapers and class warfare. Then you jump on the band wagon to support your ridiculous agenda. You may as well go on NBC after the next air disaster and speculate wildly on what went wrong. You are an embarrassment to Delta and our profession.

Ditto!
You said before i could write it.

 

[jman90]

And don't fly Delta either!

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[OPECJet]

OPECJET loves to slam the airlines, yet can't see that accidents happen all over.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Show me where I slam the airlines.

If you call pointing out that there are many mainline types out there who seem to carry a sense of entitlement slamming the airlines you'd be right. You'd also be right if you call pointing out how with few exceptions, the majors sold off scope to the point of ending careers before they began, well, you'd be right about that too. Same about lamenting the rise of contract carriers. I've also pointed out that there is a complete lack of customer service with the airlines. I don't think I ever admitted my guilt in perpetuating that, but any passenger who ever had to sit through one of my PAs when I was at the airlines should be entitled to a refund. How's that?

What you don't realize, or probably care to realize, is that I spent time at the airlines. Flew with your buddy WSurf. I also busted my hump on the MEC and tried to make a difference within the company. Like most pilots who do so, nothing was different from the day I started to the day I finished. What have you done within your pilot group?

Funny, with the exception of the mainline sense of entitlement, I think our viewpoints pretty much match. I also know that you don't represent the majority of Delta pilots. With the exception of a few loud mouths on here, it's a pretty good pilot group. I have enough friends over there to prove that.

BTW, you were the one who brought up aircraft accidents. I threw the taxiway landing back in your face because you needed it.