Whats up with SkyWest?

[flightmahtman4n]

Just curious if anyone knows what SkyWest plans are right now with hiring? There was some movement for a while, I have not seen anything going on lately? Anyone know?

 

[Jeepman]

I hate to say this, but we are probably going to only be hiring furloughed UAL types for a while since they negotiated a deal for the 70's.

Hang in there though, maybe some will go to Mesa or stay on unemployment!

 

[ArcticFlier]

It's 150 (or thereabout) guys coming from UAL.....................if they take the offer. They can turn it down, but it counts towards the the required quota. SGU is probably going to front load this in order to get the requirement out of the way so as to not hold up the -70 orders.

That is all......................

AF

 

[Jeepman]

What Artic said is true. The key word is "offer" So if a furlough is offered a job and for whatever reason, then thats one person less that takes the job and one person closer to hiring off the street. I think some furloughed employees may decide to collect unemployment or do something else so who knows how many actual furloughs we'll take.

Hang in there!

 

[Riddle momma]

ARGH!

I'm dying here waiting to hear good news from the Skywest brothers and sisters! Are the internal recommendations still getting interviews? (Not that I should be so lucky)

Still, 150 seems like a low number...

I guess another year of instructing

What are some of the competitive mins for off the street? I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I just want to hear it one more time

 

[Rogue5]

I think they were looking at people with around 1500 TT and a couple of hundred multi, but I do believe that after interviews on the 11th and one more later this month no new interviews are being scheduled.

Also, the interview information link on SkyWestPilot.com has been totally removed...

 

[Rogue5]

Also see the thread I started on the Majors board asking how many would be taking up offers at SkyWest/Mesa.

Seems the jobs are going pretty junior so maybe the 150 job OFFERS won't be much of a factor.

That many only need to be offered jobs, if they don't accept, our obligation to UAL/UALPA is satisfied, and our brothers/sisters from the pool get their jobs...

 

[SSDD]

I think you guys may be oversimplifying the situation. Its not just 150 OFFERS, its a 150 initial openings, if it takes 800 guys to reach the 150 takers then that's what it will take. Skywest doesn't have to maintain the number at 150, but at least that many will have to ACCEPT a job OFFER in order to satisfy the agreement.

Right now some people are trying to paint a rosy picture to calm the troops, but it is not as simple as Rogue5 indicates.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I think you guys may be oversimplifying the situation. Its not just 150 OFFERS, its a 150 initial openings, if it takes 800 guys to reach the 150 takers then that's what it will take. Skywest doesn't have to maintain the number at 150, but at least that many will have to ACCEPT a job OFFER in order to satisfy the agreement.

Right now some people are trying to paint a rosy picture to calm the troops, but it is not as simple as Rogue5 indicates.

From the MOU, "2. A Participating Feeder Carrier shall make offers for new hire positions to Eligible Furloughed Pilots in a number equal to five (5) times the number of Qualifying Aircraft to be operated and on terms described herein. Of these five (5) offers, at least three (3) will be offers for new hire positions in Small Jet aircraft. Such new hire position offers need not be in Qualifying Aircraft. Once such offers have been made, even if the Participating Feeder Carrier has not been provided with a sufficient number of Eligible Furloughed Pilots to fill the new hire positions, the Participating Feeder Carrier's obligation to make offers for the purpose of operating Qualifying Aircraft under the terms of this letter shall be satisfied."

Sounds like we offer 150 guys jobs and they are free to accept or reject. Beyond that, we fulfilled our obligation.

AF

 

[ual727fo]

After reading the agreement, and seeing how it works on the UAL MEC site, I can shed a bit of light here.

They way it is set up, a furloughee has to fill out a form that specifies which carrier they would like to participate in the agreement with, or not at all. If a form is not filled out, the furloughee is skipped over in seniority order.

What that means then, is that unless you have expressed interest in flying for Skywest or Mesa or both, you will not even be considered in the program.

So an offer won't even be given to a furloughee unless they want it.

The last round of offers stopped at a furlough date of July, so it seems there is quite a bit of interest in the program for Skywest. The last round for Mesa went all the way back to October 2002, so there is a bit more room there.

Let me know if I can clarify any questions you have.

Randy

 

[ArcticFlier]

After reading the agreement, and seeing how it works on the UAL MEC site, I can shed a bit of light here.

They way it is set up, a furloughee has to fill out a form that specifies which carrier they would like to participate in the agreement with, or not at all. If a form is not filled out, the furloughee is skipped over in seniority order.

What that means then, is that unless you have expressed interest in flying for Skywest or Mesa or both, you will not even be considered in the program.

So an offer won't even be given to a furloughee unless they want it.

The last round of offers stopped at a furlough date of July, so it seems there is quite a bit of interest in the program for Skywest. The last round for Mesa went all the way back to October 2002, so there is a bit more room there.

Let me know if I can clarify any questions you have.

Randy

That's the way I see it, too. Like I said in my previous post, if the offer is turned down (for whatever reason) it counts towards the quota.

AF

 

[Bako Cap]

Why the heck would the furloughs at United want to come to Skywest. The pay is CRAP, even second year FO pay sucks. I fly with several Jet FOs that are trying to find other jobs because they can't pay the bills, and they can hold fairly good lines. You'll be on reserve and the reserve rules NEED A LOT of work, trust me, I've done that reserve thing here and I wouldn't wish it upon an enemy. And to top it off, we get paid the same for 50-99 seats.

I'm not sure, but I've been told that United furloughs get paid more on unemployment than our FOs get paid here.

Sorry to get so negative. I just can't figure it out.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I'm not sure, but I've been told that United furloughs get paid more on unemployment than our FOs get paid here.

Let's see if I remember.....

Unemployment in CA pays, I think, $370/wk.

Newhire F/O gets $19.02/hr with a 75hr/month guarantee.

19.02 x 75 = $1426.50/month x 12 = $17,118/yr guarantee.

17,118/52 = 329.19/wk.

If a newhire goes to the jet, he/she can figure not getting paid for the first two months. That would make their first year guarantee at $14,265. Divide that by 52 and you get an average weekly guarantee of $274.33.

Consider a newhire at In and Out Burger who works full time and makes $9.00/hour. At 40 hours per week this worker will make $18,270 his first year or $360/wk.

A guy in class told me that if I had started out at McDonalds ten years ago and went through their management training program that I would have made more money than I have made flying for the last 10 years.

It's a sickness. Somebody find a cure.

GP

 

[sstearns2]

Well, for a UAL guy comming to skywest on second year jet pay...

$35/hr X 70 hr/mo guarentee = $2450/mo or $29400/year

$2450 / 4 = $612.50/wk

Also you don't get benifits on unempolyment.

Scott

 

[ual727fo]

Sometimes it's not all about the money.

The fact is, I am doing pretty well at a business I started since I've been furloughed, but you know what - I miss flying!!

Flying is one of those things done for love, not money.

Actually, medical for the furloughed guys are covered by Cobra and the Union for the first year or so, so it would definitely be a pay cut to go to work for another airline.

Bako Cap, to answer your question, I would take the job to be flying an airplane.

Randy

 

[Rogue5]

Feel free to not work here should you be so inclined:

Bitter furloughs bent out of shape by the way they have been treated by their former employers then handed a job vs. intervieved newhires (regardless of where they came from) who truely want to work for this company and appreciate the opportunity, who do you think would contribute more to the company, pilot group and managemant both, you make the call...

I know more than a couple of UAL castaways who are more than pleased to be flying for SkyWest. These folks I welcome with open arms.

 

[Bako Cap]

UAL272fo,

It's people like you why I have to fly a 70-90 seat aircraft at the same pay as a 50 seater. Some of us don't have other income and pilots who "fly for the love of it" should rent a C-172 on the weekends because they can afford it.

I bet you would take my job at half the pay, "just to be flying again" Just like a bunch of FreeDumb pilots who wanted to fly a cool 70-90 seater for a fraction of the Mesa pay.

The scourge of the RJ can only be halted by increasing the pay at the regionals. The more RJs being flown at the regionals at CRAP pay, the less of a chance I have to move up to a bigger airline for more pay. And if I have to fly a 50-90 seat aircraft, I'd rather be flying it for the major partner.

I LOVE to fly and I also want to fly cooler and bigger aircraft, but I want to get paid for it.

 

[sgu]

FLL

What is up with the latest rumor of SKYW going to open FLL as a new Emb 120 base?

 

[Torpid]

Bako Cap
Your type of attitude is getting old. I'm sick and tired of people being bashed because they "love flying." Are we supposed to hate our jobs first and than maybe we'll make more money? Is it not possible to enjoy your job and at the same time demand better pay? Instead of getting on ual727fo about his love of flying, why don't you direct your criticism to the piolts who voted in the same pay for bigger planes?

 

[Bako Cap]

Torpid,

Reread my post. We are on the same wavelength. I REALLY LOVE TO FLY! but I want to get paid for it. A bunch of people who don't care about pay because they have other means voted to fly cooler aircraft at the same pay. Management knows how much we love to fly and uses it against us. I know how difficult it is not to fly for a long time, flying is like "Pilot Crack," gotta have it. But, it's just one of the many reasons why regional FOs get paid less than McDonalds employees.

Yeah, I was a bit hard on UAL272fo. I guess I shouldn't have looked at my paycheck before logging on.