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Whats the Pay like at SATSAIR
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After you have done the SEARCH,read ALL the posts,take a week or two and decide if this is what you want!!!!!!
Ace Pilot
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What exactly do you want? An unlimited supply of free koolaid?
Flywrite
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Pilot lifestyle is decent for a 135 operation. Days off are golden, pilot go/no go decisions are respected, and the CP will bend over backwards to help pilots out. Flying varies from week to week, but most pilot see a mix of 4-day trips and out and backs.
You will not get much idea of your flying schedule until the day before, but schedules are bid on like the airline system so you will know your days off for the whole month in advance, and while you can offer to fly on your days off you will rarely be asked to. If you are asked and dont want to all you have to say is 'no thanks' and it ends there.
The company tries very hard to limit duty days to 12 hours, though this has been harder lately. Hopefully with a new pilot class soon this will ease somewhat. there have been some posts here about lack of known ice capability, but that wasnt too much of an issue this winter. On days/flights when icing was an issue the passengers were told we couldnt go and that was the end of it. As a pilot you will never be asked to go once you make the call that you cant. You may be asked to wait the weather out or look at other routing options etc., but if you say 'no' it is respected.
Pay scale above is accurate to my knowledge. So far there is no 401k, but insurance is OK. If you are comfortable with single-pilot, single-engine IFR in a well equipped aircraft then you might find it a good place to be, but it's not for everyone.
Brett on here can give a good idea of a line-pilot's life at SATSair. He's a good guy who will answer questions for a Diet Cherry Coke.
As for G-Force's advice to do a search on here-well that's probably his first good advice.
You will not get much idea of your flying schedule until the day before, but schedules are bid on like the airline system so you will know your days off for the whole month in advance, and while you can offer to fly on your days off you will rarely be asked to. If you are asked and dont want to all you have to say is 'no thanks' and it ends there.
The company tries very hard to limit duty days to 12 hours, though this has been harder lately. Hopefully with a new pilot class soon this will ease somewhat. there have been some posts here about lack of known ice capability, but that wasnt too much of an issue this winter. On days/flights when icing was an issue the passengers were told we couldnt go and that was the end of it. As a pilot you will never be asked to go once you make the call that you cant. You may be asked to wait the weather out or look at other routing options etc., but if you say 'no' it is respected.
Pay scale above is accurate to my knowledge. So far there is no 401k, but insurance is OK. If you are comfortable with single-pilot, single-engine IFR in a well equipped aircraft then you might find it a good place to be, but it's not for everyone.
Brett on here can give a good idea of a line-pilot's life at SATSair. He's a good guy who will answer questions for a Diet Cherry Coke.
As for G-Force's advice to do a search on here-well that's probably his first good advice.
Even more info here, if you need it:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1265248#post1265248
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1265248#post1265248
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Keep in mind that this a SE-piston job.If you want to fly turbine equippment,quite a few employers do not think this type of experience is worthwhile since it will not be beneficial in securing employment in the future,in fact it mey hinder a pilots attempts in securing better employment later.
Keep in mind that this a SE-piston job.If you want to fly turbine equippment,quite a few employers do not think this type of experience is worthwhile since it will not be beneficial in securing employment in the future,in fact it mey hinder a pilots attempts in securing better employment later.
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johnsonrod
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climbhappy
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i nominate G - force as an employment counselor expert
who are the "quite a few employers'.... that don't think...yada yada yada
did you do any research? keep in mind that general statements full of this kind of BS is laughable. when Regional airlines are hiring guys with Cessna 172 time and 500 hours, what kind of crap is this you spout?
who are these dang employers you refer to man, For goodness sake, tell me
who are the "quite a few employers'.... that don't think...yada yada yada
did you do any research? keep in mind that general statements full of this kind of BS is laughable. when Regional airlines are hiring guys with Cessna 172 time and 500 hours, what kind of crap is this you spout?
who are these dang employers you refer to man, For goodness sake, tell me
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Climbmaggot
If have anything to say about g-force,please address them to the Trashman.Line guys rule!
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Without "known ice" it actually makes the decision very easy. If its forecast, you stay at home.
Quite simple really.
climbhappy
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rally how did you come up with that.
He says, "it will not be beneficial in securing employment."
the point is his far reaching general statment is not true, in today's job marketplace.
what he should have said, if you're looking to fly thirty year old king air 90's or merlins for a bottom feeder, then their insurance minimums might preclude one from getting hired as captain.(since they require no type rating)you can stick a female, who'll later get on with United in the right seat, or some old fart with the time in the left.
He says, "it will not be beneficial in securing employment."
the point is his far reaching general statment is not true, in today's job marketplace.
what he should have said, if you're looking to fly thirty year old king air 90's or merlins for a bottom feeder, then their insurance minimums might preclude one from getting hired as captain.(since they require no type rating)you can stick a female, who'll later get on with United in the right seat, or some old fart with the time in the left.
The next time one of these "AirCab" wonders blows into the pattern and believes he has priority because he is a "Commercial" operator the $hit will hit the fan, again. These kids havn't flown a plane for a living besides CFI and believe they have made the big time. We can work together or make life miserable. Thats life, and I hope these idiots come to realize the foolishness of there actions before they kill someone. Time will tell, watch the newspapers.
brett
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"Aerocab" drivers' current flight time average is about 4,500 hours. Many are prior airline pilots including several retired and a couple that are retired from a full military career followed by an airline career. We also have prior corporate, charter, freight experienced pilots. We have none that I know of with CFI experience only, not to say that would be bad. Overall, it's a very experienced and professional group. That being said, I don't deny that you may have had a bad experience, I wasn't there.
Like anywhere else, as far as personalities go, you have a cross section of society and every once in a while someone has an attitude, is rude, or makes a mistake. (Kind of like you voicing this generalizing and obnoxious statement about all Aircab pilots based on one experience.) Such a statement will probably have the effect on most people of leaving them generally less than initially impressed with your cognitive reasoning skills and temperament towards others.
(What was that you said about, "we can work together or make life miserable? .... Hmmm ... maybe you should heed your own words out of the gate.)
If you had a real safety issue, call our CP, he's a great guy and will work it out.
Have a nice day and fly safe.
- Brett
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Reality Check
Dude,its time for you to get off the Kool-Aid,you have OD'd enough!!Time for re-hab,so find a good dry-out farm and get a grip!!!
Dude,its time for you to get off the Kool-Aid,you have OD'd enough!!Time for re-hab,so find a good dry-out farm and get a grip!!!
It's ashame the "High Time Experienced " pilots at "AirCab" didn't learn anything gaining the High Time and experience. If I have a issue one more time with these boneheads I'll call the Feds, and on top of that will not sell any fuel to the idiots. Keep a eye on the news. A smoking hole will be the outcome of being in a hurry all the time. If the CP dosn't realize the problem, the DOM will, when the cracked cyl. expense is repeated day after day. I suggest you do a log book audit upon every pilot there. That would be a good place to start.
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Where are you so we can plan fuel stops around you? Better still a phone number so our CP can call to discuss your concerns.
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brett
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Hey there,
Talked to the CP today about part-timers. He said we have one or two here at GMU and that's all we need. He said they aren't looking for any elsewhere right now, but that when we get to the point where we have maybe 6 or 8 planes at one of the outbases, then they will want one or two part-timers for backup. First two places this will happen will probably be PDK/JZI.
- Brett
Hey Climbhappy- If you desire too start the insults, fine fire away. You would better off fixing the problem of reckless operation and save someone's life. That is what needs to be done. If you believe the Feds laugh at complaints concerning reckless operation either your stupid or new to this business or most likly both. Be sure to tanker some fuel the next time you saddle up Maverick, you never know when the fuel truck is inop.
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climbhappy
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catbird, i said you are funny. that's a compliment
listen,
i can't really understand your position.
the cirrus is a well equipped airplane suitable for IFR.
your "complaint"
1) aerocab "blows into the pattern"
2) they have only been paid as CFIs
3) they have foolish actions
4) they're idiots
5) they belive they have prioirty
Not much there
as far as cracked cylinder heads, if you keep the manifold pressure up, you can yank it back in the pattern and there is no shock cooling. they do fine at the upper limit and a really fun to fly wide open. i'm just flying one temporarily and they're a blast.
you must be an FBO operator. since you sell fuel. i was joking about being drunk, but you comments are reckless much like the allegations you levy on aerocabs as you call them. I've never heard that name. Flying into uncontrolled fields whether in a jet or turboprop or anything else has its risks.
it is up to all of us to make the right traffic calls at least ten miles out and fly standard patterns unless a straight in can be made without stepping in front of someone. it is so easy.
i asked a guy doing touch and gos just last week in Monroe to extend his downwind so I could come screaming in my baron for the straight in.
just a simple request. he granted my request. what is so hard about that?
as far as morons on the ground who run FBOs, one in lynchburg one time cautioned me about departing 20 when this jet was inbound. he was acting like a controller. i taxied all the way down to 2 to depart. turned out he was coming in on 20. he was one who was the idiot. i got out in time anyway. , but if you're an FBO owner who like to play air traffic controller, then act like one instead of gumming up the works with' " you might not want to do that"
listen,
i can't really understand your position.
the cirrus is a well equipped airplane suitable for IFR.
your "complaint"
1) aerocab "blows into the pattern"
2) they have only been paid as CFIs
3) they have foolish actions
4) they're idiots
5) they belive they have prioirty
Not much there
as far as cracked cylinder heads, if you keep the manifold pressure up, you can yank it back in the pattern and there is no shock cooling. they do fine at the upper limit and a really fun to fly wide open. i'm just flying one temporarily and they're a blast.
you must be an FBO operator. since you sell fuel. i was joking about being drunk, but you comments are reckless much like the allegations you levy on aerocabs as you call them. I've never heard that name. Flying into uncontrolled fields whether in a jet or turboprop or anything else has its risks.
it is up to all of us to make the right traffic calls at least ten miles out and fly standard patterns unless a straight in can be made without stepping in front of someone. it is so easy.
i asked a guy doing touch and gos just last week in Monroe to extend his downwind so I could come screaming in my baron for the straight in.
just a simple request. he granted my request. what is so hard about that?
as far as morons on the ground who run FBOs, one in lynchburg one time cautioned me about departing 20 when this jet was inbound. he was acting like a controller. i taxied all the way down to 2 to depart. turned out he was coming in on 20. he was one who was the idiot. i got out in time anyway. , but if you're an FBO owner who like to play air traffic controller, then act like one instead of gumming up the works with' " you might not want to do that"
Lucky no one was run over or killed by the Chute Rocket or Prop. I guess they will add a a chapter to the SATSAIR GOM "Pull Chute when Taxing too fast" procedure. Which one of those fellows is you, Taxi-um ClimbHappy?
SATSAIR CRASH (Crime Scene)?
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=04af9e29-7b3c-4fd2-8a6f-9400e199de53#d
SATSAIR CRASH (Crime Scene)?
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=04af9e29-7b3c-4fd2-8a6f-9400e199de53#d
brett
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Here's a link for you catburd:
http://psychologicalselfhelp.org/Chapter7/chap7_41.html
Scroll down to the third paragraph and start there.
Have a nice day
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climbhappy
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i can tell you i am not going to pull the chute ever. that is a panic button for rich guys (who can't fly and don't have the time to ) who are scared crapless anyway whenever they enter a cloud.
it is a great marketing tool. the rich guy says to his wife , honey, it has a parachute.there is no way i can kill you.
the cirrus loves to be flown fast. i wish it had speed brakes like the mooney because class B controllers really like you to keep up in the arrival area. nobody slows anyway til over the marker.
it is a great marketing tool. the rich guy says to his wife , honey, it has a parachute.there is no way i can kill you.
the cirrus loves to be flown fast. i wish it had speed brakes like the mooney because class B controllers really like you to keep up in the arrival area. nobody slows anyway til over the marker.
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