Whats the E170 like?

[wndshr]

Can someone tell us what the E170 is like to fly?

Systems, ergonomics in the cockpit, cockpit noise, pro's and con's, speed, landing control., passenger acceptance..you know the basics.

thanks

 

[Habib]

BUMP



Mainly what is the cockpit size and cockpit noise like?



Also some numbers like:



MTOW:



Vmo:



Max Altitude:



Also what is the cabin like, first class, roomy, full overheads, etc…Thanks

 

[DorkProp]

The EMB what? Just kidding. Nice ride in the back. Can't say anything more. Still an RJ though, with RJ seats. Nice and tall though.

 

[WSurf]

I can tell you that the pay rates suck!!!

 

[FlyboyPhil]

link to the the embraer website/specs

http://www.embraer.com/

 

[hagen]

once a POS always a POS!!!!

Eu não confío no Embraer!!!!

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Can someone tell us what the E170 is like to fly?

Systems, ergonomics in the cockpit, cockpit noise, pro's and con's, speed, landing control., passenger acceptance..you know the basics.

thanks

Its a little white plane with wheels. It looks like a big tylenol.

Seriously though, I have not been in the front but it looks a lot like the 145/135 cockpit. The pedestal is a bit bigger. Check it out at airliners.net. I have seen them around EWR, and IAH and they look like mini A-320z. As far as cockpit noise, if its like the 145 its a bit loud above 200. But if you compare the Emb145er, the old(relative) one to the emb-145xr new, the xr is a thousand times better airplane so I imagine the 170 will be better but with those oh so common growing pains all new aircraft have.

 

[LittleDeuce]

Erj-170

The ERJ-170 is a dream to fly. It is a very stable airplane utilizing fly by wire technology (not quite the same for you Airbus drivers).

The erogonomics in the cockpit are great too. Lots of room and the packs work very well and keep the airplane very comfortable.

Max alt FL410 at .82, 3000 PPH in cruise.

Passenger acceptance is VERY high. The plan is for us to have 39 airplanes by the end of December.

There are still a few bugs to work out. The latest software fix should solve most of them.

Pilots from the Wholy Owned's are starting class on July 5.

It really is a great operation not withstanding the uncertainty at Airways.

Based on the information on some of the plan I am optimistic for the future.

 

[venr122]

But if you compare the Emb145er, the old(relative) one to the emb-145xr new, the xr is a thousand times better airplane.QUOTE]

If you think the XR is 1000 times better than the ER then I have a bridge to sell you. The XR is what the ER should have been from the factory.

Its the same plane, granted I look forward to flying them as they can actually get out of their own way, but still way too loud, small in the back for 3+ hour missions they are flying and the list goes on.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

But if you compare the Emb145er, the old(relative) one to the emb-145xr new, the xr is a thousand times better airplane.QUOTE]

If you think the XR is 1000 times better than the ER then I have a bridge to sell you. The XR is what the ER should have been from the factory.

Its the same plane, granted I look forward to flying them as they can actually get out of their own way, but still way too loud, small in the back for 3+ hour missions they are flying and the list goes on.

I'll buy that bridge. I will agree with the "The XR is what the ER should have been from the factory." But thats not what rolled off the factory on day one now is it? The XR has better range, Payload capacity, Performance at all altitudes, better cockpit layout than the ER and superior speed. Just because the pay still sux on the XR does not mean that it isn't a far superior aircraft.


Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one and most of em stink.

Heres another, I like my women like I like my scotch, 12 years old and mied up with Coke.

 

[Captain X]

There are still a few bugs to work out. The latest software fix should solve most of them.

I keep hearing the same thing about the E-145s....I think we've been thru 18+ "software fixes."

 

[lowecur]

The ERJ-170 is a dream to fly. It is a very stable airplane utilizing fly by wire technology (not quite the same for you Airbus drivers).

The erogonomics in the cockpit are great too. Lots of room and the packs work very well and keep the airplane very comfortable.

Max alt FL410 at .82, 3000 PPH in cruise.

Passenger acceptance is VERY high. The plan is for us to have 39 airplanes by the end of December.

There are still a few bugs to work out. The latest software fix should solve most of them.

Pilots from the Wholy Owned's are starting class on July 5.

It really is a great operation not withstanding the uncertainty at Airways.

Based on the information on some of the plan I am optimistic for the future.

Flew the 170 from PIT to SYR a few weeks back. The original plane was delayed from Nashville, but they had a spare at the gate - so we took that.

It's a beautiful a/c. I sat over the wing at a window seat. It climbs great and is very quiet. The seats are very comfortable and the overheads are fine for carry on. Had to get up once, and it was a pleasure not bumping my head or having to climb over two pax to get to the isle.

I think it was a training flight, cuz there were a few extra pilots on board as well as F/A's. The plane will be a pax favorite.

 

[LearLove]

Hey Little Duece,


What are you hearing about a MDA PHL base? Word on the street is a PHL base for Aug.

The way the bids are going I may be able to hold a sept/oct FO class but am going to try and reupgrade here first however I hear that ALG may just park aircraft instead of letting guys reupgrade/upgrade. If thats the case I may as well bid for MDA.

As for the E-170 I know a guy who's one of the senior 1879 apl guys he's a capt at MDA and outside of the teething problems says he really likes the 170 all around. I toured the 170 in SYR during proving runs and tought it to be very nice. I was impressed with the large cockpit. The seats in the cabin were very comfortable too.

 

[LittleDeuce]

Mda

The word is a PHL crew base should be announced soon. CLT will be a base for the Check Airman soon and a crew base in the fall.

The simulator is now in CLT and will be certified in August.

As I said before it really is a good operation albeit not without its problems.

I know Airways is putting a lot of faith in the 170 and we are having great success with it from a passenger perspective.

 

[WSurf]

Today in CLT they were saying that the PIT people where calling it the EMB-180's... Mainly because everytime it leaves the gate, it does a 180 back! Thought that was funny humor.... LOL

 

[DorkProp]

I think it was a training flight, cuz there were a few extra pilots on board as well as F/A's. The plane will be a pax favorite.

Those extra pilots and F/A's were most likely PSA deadheaders on their way to replace another crew that was yanked off their trip to deadhead somewhere to replace another crew that was yanked off their trip to deadhead somewhere....

 

[MW44]

Is it true that mainline furloughees have to start at year 1 longevity at MDA? I know that the wholly owned pilots keep their longevity for pay purposes and I was surprised to hear that the APL doesn't.

 

[LittleDeuce]

Mda

Yes, it's true. All the mainline pilots that were/are recalled to MDA go in at 1st year rates based on the American Eagle contract.

 

[4lowed]

All,


If you are a furloughed mainline type coming to MAA the pay is as follows:

CA comes in at Yr. 1 = $58.44/hr
FO comes in at TOS = $38.04/hr.

If you come to MAA from a wholly owned (PSA/ALG/PDT) you will come in at TOS as an FO. Wholly owned folks should not expect to see the left seat of the ERJ170 for sometime. However the wholly owned folks carry their wholly owned longevity with them to MAA. So if you have 12 years at PDT and 6 at MAA by the time the ERJ170 left seat opens up, the wholly owned pilot will go to the left seat at 18 yr. pay.

4lowed

 

[On Your Six]

Have any wholly-owned pilots (e.g., Piedmont, PSA, etc.) actually moved over to MidAtlantic yet? How many are expected given that the mainline furloughee list has apparently been exhausted? Seems like a nice airplane - good experience for Jet Blue later on...

 

[LittleDeuce]

Mda

Au Contrae Monsuir;

The first Wholy Owned pilots will be in class on July 5. There is a bid out for 66 F/O's and 30 Captains for classes in July and August that closed yesterday.

 

[Dash8]

Those extra pilots and F/A's were most likely PSA deadheaders on their way to replace another crew that was yanked off their trip to deadhead somewhere to replace another crew that was yanked off their trip to deadhead somewhere....

you mean a 170 actually got off the gate and completed a flight without a maintenance cancellation?

yes i'm being mostly facetious, but i'm still curious to see their completion factor, cause it seems theres still a lot of delays and cancellations.

 

[MW44]

Little Deuce,

You don't think those captain slots are going to go to wholly owned pilots do you? They have only exhausted the APL with regards to fo slots. I'm sure there are many furloughed mainline guys that would love those 30 captain slots just to get their resumes ready for JBLUE>

 

[LittleDeuce]

Mda

Yes, I do. They are well into the 99 hire's for Captain slots. It seems like there is some confusion in that regard but I think it will be a lot sooner rather than later.

Why did they put out a bid for 30 Captains? The first Captains in class for the Wholy Owned's is August 2.

 

[Swaayze]

I suspect you'll see many APL pilots bypass MAA for the time being because U is just too unstable right now and many will wait for a lineholder seniority before taking the job.

 

[WSurf]

True, but i dont think that the 18-20 year WO capts will care about sitting reserve while making 90 bucks an hour at home for MDA.

I think everyone wins with MDA!! WO pilots finally get some movement, and furloughed guys get jobs.

I believe US Airways is now in a better postion then many airlines. MDA if it gets to running, and Mainline gets its proposal done, well US Airways could get some butt on the east coast again...

 

[ponder]

Well Duh!

Finally a reactionary note from legacy carriers addressing the post-de-regulation reality...... Rub some brain cells together, legacy management sure can't.

Anybody going to Mid Atlantic is a genius.... Or incredibly bored with the exclusionary nature set up by the old guard. Irregardless of your "roots", a brave new world has been established, and you better get use to it.

I would have loved to have the perfect career at USAir, but unfortunately it only existed for a fraction of the rank & file. The rest of the apples & oranges went to buy Martinis at those private clubs in Manhattan..... THE OLD PRIVATE CLUBS, but as a good worker bee - I'm not suppose to know anything about that.

Godspeed MidAtlantic! It's up to the intrepid now, and at no point could they be called the fool, because they at least tried!