Whats left of your USAir is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for u.

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Whats left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for u.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

ALPA was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting ALPA out now....

....than anything ALPA can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to ALPA is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out ALPA now to at least get your seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that ALPA could ever do for you now that would equal voting ALPA out and subsequently getting your seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

 

[Cardinal]

ALPA and the unity therein built your "USAir career."

 

[get2flyin]

Um, wow. Looks like somebody needs a hug...

Pretty sad. Enough said.

 

[hmmm]

And then they destroyed it with indifference and blowing smoke.

 

[get2flyin]

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

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The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

I'm not aware that the West pilots owe YOU anything.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It appears the USAPA guys have completely lost it. They'll get thier own union and the big unknown.

Interesting how the USAPA guys are justifying thier defection with everything against ALPA. Of course they don't want to talk about Nic, agreeing to binding Arbitration, etc.... As long as they can hate ALPA, justified or not... (and ALPA has done some wrong, but again... they only want to talk about that and not Nic)

Good luck, all you've got is yourselves... and whatever funds 2000 guys can scrape together..

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA and the unity therein built your "USAir career."

He doesn't work for USAir. He works for UAL. I wonder if he launched into this anti-ALPA diatribe when they pinned his "half-wings" on at the fancy dinner?

 

[iflyhigh]

The sad thing about this whole USAPA issue, is the fact that ALPA National did not due away with the retirement or the seniority or the pay.

At the end of the day, each ALPA carrier votes their MEC in. IF the MEC ends up in bed with management, than it is up to the pilot group to get them out of office. Each airline MEC appoints pilots from their carrier to staff the negiotiation meeting, the merger committee and so on.

If the pilot group does not like the way the appointees are performing, it is up to them to hold MEC accountable and again push very hard to get them removed. We have seen this at many carriers.

Just like UAL and DAL, their is nothing that ALPA National could of done to save the pensions at US Airways, other than asking Mr. Wolf, former CEO, for some of his serverance package back or even the $45 million or so he pocketed from the failed UAL/US Airways buyout. The CEO's at these companies were going to get rid of the pension one way or another. Shoot UAL proved this when they tried to save it the first round of negiotiations and subsequential lost in the second round.

I know the US Airways East guys are tired of merger and tired taking SH?T. But its not the West guys' fault. The West pilot did not want this merger anymore than the East guys. Yes, it would have been nice to see US Airways East left on its own, but unforunately that did not happen.

Its time to move forward. Its hard to forget the past and management is counting on this. Its like when your child messes up, you tell learn from it and move on. You can't change the past, but you can learn from the mistake and effect the future.

Time will only tell if the US Airways East guys can move forward. For right now, they are stuck in the past and until they learn and move on, US Airways as a whole probably experience more problems and start heading toward BK 3.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

This is a bit closer to the truth IMO...

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what your MEC did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe your MEC anything.

your MEC was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting your MEC out now....

....than anything your MEC can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to your MEC is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your relative seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out your MEC now to at least get your relative seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that your MEC could ever do for you now that would equal voting your MEC out and subsequently getting your relative seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

 

[Redtailer]

USAPA is the end of US...

Oh look another ALPA/West bashing thread.. Flame bait.

No matter how you may feel about USAPA/ALPA there are a few things that will happen if USAPA is voted on the property. It all leads up to the inevitable implosion of USAPA.

If USAPA is voted on the property, all funds will need to be taken in from the resultant members. Next the west side will sue USAPA, with ALPA money, for every penny to keep them from changing the Nicolau award. Sue for not representing the interests of the West side under the RLA. And don't let a West pilot have a grievance against the company. There is no way any Westie can believe they would be fairly represented. The lawsuits would be endless and the West will win several of them due to the arrogance of the USAPA folks wanting to "Stick it to the West."

All of this translates to nothing in the USAPA budget to fight the company with. Good luck with any leverage with such a disorganized group as well. Management will laugh in their faces. Strike? Good luck. Getting the West to sit down at the table with USAPA. Not gonna happen.

It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.