what's a sub 1500TT Lakes dude to do?

[SkyNation]

go rent a 152 and build hours and get hired back once you reach 1500?

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2013/08/15/news/01top_08-15-13.txt

 

[Freebrd]

Yeah I'm sure all the majors are grabbing 1500 hr pilots

 

[propjob27]

Yeah I'm sure all the majors are grabbing 1500 hr pilots

According to this "article" they are:

All the majors are trying to grab all the guys that have at least 1,500 hours, and they always pick out of the pot of Great Lakes because we have a great training program, Taylor-Lee said. So we are experiencing a pretty severe pilot shortage at the moment.

and


We're hoping that the majors will increase their requirements for number of hours and (stop) taking all the 1,500-hour guys off the street, which are the guys we need now too, she said.

The pilot shortage is finally here! Anyone with an ATP and 1500+ hours should have no trouble getting interviews at UAL, DAL, FedEX, AMR, Southwest!

It's finally the right time to be a "commercial pilot!"

/sarcasm off

 

[pilotyip]

go rent a 152 and build hours and get hired back once you reach 1500?

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2013/08/15/news/01top_08-15-13.txt

FAR Part 1
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing. (read rest as parking at termination of the flight)


So buy a C-150 with an auto gas STC. Go it with another guy who needs the time. One or both has to have a CFI then you can both log time. To do it really cheaply. You make one take off and take 60 minutes to taxi back for takeoff. You could probably log 10 hours on 10 gallons of fuel. You could get close to 300 hours in one month. Also airframe and engine life is based upon Tach time and you will be putting almost no tach time on the airplane. Remember this is not about building skill this is about filling a stupid time requirement imposed by congress in response to 3407.

Remember from previous posts I have made the JUS DA-20 F/O with a 1000 hours of which 500 is flying a TJ in a two-man crew IFR int'l day and night is not qualified to fly a CRJ. But take the 1501 hour pilot who built his time towing banners at MYR, that is the breakfast of champions for the 121 airline job.

 

[ackattacker]

No buy a C-150 with an auto gas STC. Go it with another guy who needs the time. One or both has to have a CFI then you can both log time. To do it really cheaply. You make one take off and take 60 minutes to taxi back for takeoff. You could probably log 10 hours on 10 gallons of fuel. You could get close to 300 hours in one month. Also airframe and engine life is based upon Tach time and you will be putting almost no tach time on the airplane. remember this is not about building skill this is about filling a stupid time requirement imposed by congress in response to 3407.

What you are describing is very very close to padding your logbook with fraudulent time, and if discovered the FAA could potentially yank your certificates. They have come down hard on folks who where logging "dual received" and "dual given" without any instruction taking place, and taxiing around just to run the hourmeter is also fraudulent.

I remember a story a CFI friend once told me, about foreign students from a hot dusty country who where here just too build time to meet a requirement back home. They would rent aircraft and fly around building hours. Well, one day he gets a call from an FBO of a nearby airport, who says, "did you know you had an aircraft sitting here on the tie-down idling?"

Turns out these guys where flying to an airport 20 miles away, tying the aircraft down and leaving it running, then going to hang out at the restaurant.

 

[livin'thesim]

Is any LSA time loggable for the purposes of the ATP Forgive the ignorance, I've been out of the GA world for eons.

 

[pilotyip]

What you are describing is very very close to padding your logbook with fraudulent time, and if discovered the FAA could potentially yank your certificates. They have come down hard on folks who where logging "dual received" and "dual given" without any instruction taking place, and taxiing around just to run the hourmeter is also fraudulent.

I remember a story a CFI friend once told me, about foreign students from a hot dusty country who where here just too build time to meet a requirement back home. They would rent aircraft and fly around building hours. Well, one day he gets a call from an FBO of a nearby airport, who says, "did you know you had an aircraft sitting here on the tie-down idling?"

Turns out these guys where flying to an airport 20 miles away, tying the aircraft down and leaving it running, then going to hang out at the restaurant.

Seems to work for all ATP's when they put two MECFI's in a twin and let each log multi time to build their hours. What if in our sample with the C-150, we only took 30 minutes, or 15 minutes to to taxi back and you kept detailed records on the training you were giving? You have the document of of the Hobb's meeter readout in the airplane. I think this passes the scratch and sniff test. I'll ask out POI next time I see him. Remember as I said in my original post, the 1500 rule has nothing to do with experience, is about a number in log book.


BTW I agree with you logging time while not in the airplane while not in the airplane probably violates the rules

 

[livin'thesim]

I've sat in the deice pad for over two hours with the engines off, logging multi engine jet experience. As per FAA interpretation.

It is regrettable that there was not a more intelligent solution to this problem available.

However, it is entertaining to watch regional management teams tear their hair out. I can't think of a more deserving group.

 

[livin'thesim]

How much of the ATP 1500 hours can be logged in a glider? I could see a small group of aspiring pilots (with rich parents) getting hold of an old Tri-Pacer or something, without so much as any IFR instruments or working comm radios and basing it at some remote strip out in the sticks and let them do touch and goes or fly around at long range cruise until they have the time. Serving no purpose whatsoever, of course.

 

[ackattacker]

Seems to work for all ATP's when they put two MECFI's in a twin and let each log multi time to build their hours. What if in our sample with the C-150, we only took 30 minutes, or 15 minutes to to taxi back and you kept detailed records on the training you were giving? You have the document of of the Hobb's meeter readout in the airplane. I think this passes the scratch and sniff test. I'll ask out POI next time I see him. Remember as I said in my original post, the 1500 rule has nothing to do with experience, is about a number in log book.


BTW I agree with you logging time while not in the airplane while not in the airplane probably violates the rules

I think the "sniff test" the FAA uses when evaluating whether dual given/received is valid is whether or not the training serves some purpose. In All ATP's case, the students are building up to taking a checkride of some sort, and they can put in the remarks something about teaching ATP multi-engine maneuvers or approaches or somesuch and then it looks fine from an FAA perspective. If you have two commercial rated pilots flying around the pattern VFR in a C-150, I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a valid explanation for what you where doing training-wise. Not to say you couldn't come up with something, but you better tread carefully. Just putting two CFI's in the same plane doesn't automatically mean they can both log the time.

Similarly, with the taxiing around portion, if it takes you 30 minutes to taxi back because there's a huge line, that's one thing. If it takes you 30 minutes to taxi back because you decided to go .05 MPH and take the scenic route, well that's clearly just dishonest. You weren't taxiing for the purpose of flight. You were taxiing with the purpose of flying as little as possible. All it takes is some FSDO inspector to get wind of it, and observe it, and you're busted and your whole logbook is subject to scrutiny. Such things have happened before, this is not paranoia.

 

[CX880]

Just step out of the crappy 150 and go get a real career

 

[Kaman]

Open your wallet...

 

[acpilot]

go rent a 152 and build hours and get hired back once you reach 1500?

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2013/08/15/news/01top_08-15-13.txt

Get a gubbmint loan for a real MBA and take a job at Starbucks making more money with a better QOL. In 22mo you'll be tee'd up for a six figure job, several weeks of paid vacation, decent medical, and stock. Land a job, buy a plane, and fly whenever you want.

I'm not kidding. Do this right now.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just step out of the crappy 150 and go get a real career

Sez the dog boy gear who rims Hulas when not out rimming his goats....

 

[Twisted Mind]

150's are expensive. They have electrical systems and that means radios, transponders, batteries, alternators, ect..... Cheifs, Taylorcrafts, luscombes, ect. With no electric systems are way cheap. A continental A-65 only burns 4 gallons working hard. Pull it back and you are down to 3 or less GPH. this can also be done with car gas. A real soild example of the above airplanes can be found for 13,000. Fly your hours and sell it for 13,000. If you can find a nice Taylor J2 Cub they have Continental A-40 engines even cheaper! If you want to get rediculouse the Aeronca C2 is by far the cheapest.