What would the first year at United be like?

[sat74]

For short call only, no different than it is now. (This actually started in 2000). As I said in my post, "Your FAA duty day starts at the beginning of the on call period." If you get called 4 hours into your on call period you are already 4 hours into a duty period and can only be given an assignment that takes this into account. This is current practice and will continue to be so except the new duty day limits will apply, still counting all time already on call before the assignment. The only change is the callout period is going from 15 hours to 14 hours with the min time off between callout periods going from 9 to 10 hours. LCAL has already implemented this. LUAL will implement it in January.

Long callout reserves are not in FAA rest and cannot be called out directly from reserve to an assignment without an intervening rest period. They are just telephone available 24 hours a day during their reserve periods. If called, they then go into FAR rest before reporting for the assignment. Contractually it will be 13 hours.

This is really no change from what we currently do. The big change came in 2000 when the FAA determined that their Whitlow Rule applied to reserves. Before then reserves were on short call 24 hours a day and treated as though they were in continuous rest, and could be short called at any time into a full duty day. This article summarizes the change that took place in 2000,

http://blog.aopa.org/flighttraining/?p=2327

I know some cargo guys that sit reserve 16 hours a day and get called out at the last minute to fly a 16 hour duty day to Asia. How do they get away with it, as it clearly does not comply with the FAA interpretation above?

 

[densoo]

I know some cargo guys that sit reserve 16 hours a day and get called out at the last minute to fly a 16 hour duty day to Asia. How do they get away with it, as it clearly does not comply with the FAA interpretation above?

From January 2013, AFL-CIO, Safe Skies Act,

The Air Line Pilots (ALPA) union is asking Congress to pass the Safe Skies Act of 2013, which would set one standard of fatigue rules for all pilots. Currently, under a rule issued by the Federal Aviation Administration last year, only passenger pilots are required to operate under flight- and duty-time limits that protect them from excessive fatigue and the possible dangers they face if they become too tired to properly fly their plane. Pilots who fly cargo planes currently operate under a weaker standard.

 

[sat74]

They fly supplemental Pax and cargo so still wonder how they get around this...

 

[sat74]

What did cargo airlines do before last year's ruling? Did they comply with the Whitlow Letter but are now exempt?

 

[densoo]

What did cargo airlines do before last year's ruling? Did they comply with the Whitlow Letter but are now exempt?

Don't know, but there seem to be two standards, and ALPA is trying to use FAR 117 as a pivot point to get everyone on one standard.

Safe Skies talking paper

 

[psysicx]

Does long reserve get called more than short reserve?

 

[Andy]

Does long reserve get called more than short reserve?

For the most part, long reserve will exist only on paper. Schedulers will be converting most reserves to short callout or field standby. And then they'll get assigned some flight to make sure it doesn't trigger more than two unused short call/field standbys per month. At least for narrowbody aircraft.

Think of it this way: if a 737 pilot's on long reserve for their entire number of reserve days, it is the equivalent of hitting a hole in one on a par 5 hole.

 

[SVA_402]

Am I reading it right that newhires got DEN?

 

[densoo]

Does long reserve get called more than short reserve?

Long call usually gets assigned first and they save the short call for last minute changes. But a moot point very soon. After full implementation of contract short call is no longer assigned during the monthly bidding process. Everyone starts the month long call. Then each day they will assign next day trips to some and assign others to a short call period as well. They can convert as many as they feel they need to short call. As Andy said there can be extra pay for too many conversions so they'll rotate who they convert to minimize costs.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Anyone interviewed/hired with no internal recs lately?

 

[T-1GUY]

Densoo,

Can you please explain the insurance rates. Do add all the amounts together to get a family rate? Is this monthly?

Thanks

 

[Andy]

It's the far right column. Per month. Doesn't include dental or vision. Ignore Tricare supplemental; that's for mil retirees with Tricare. Here's AZ:

OptionYou Only You + Spouse You + Child(ren) You + Family

Aetna Select AZ $182.78 $397.19 $285.19 $499.60
TRICARE Supplemental Plan $60.50 $119.50 $119.50 $160.50
Bronze Plan $58.00 $115.00 $64.00 $121.00
Aetna PPO - $350 Deductible $153.66 $331.66 $234.22 $412.22
Aetna PPO - $750 Deductible $131.49 $281.78 $195.43 $345.71
Aetna PPO - $1250 Deductible $105.76 $223.88 $150.40 $268.52
Core PPO Option $145.95 $314.31 $220.73 $389.09
Core EPO Option $149.16 $321.55 $226.36 $398.74
Core HDHP (Additional details) $143.69 $309.23 $216.77 $382.31
Aetna Traditional Medical PPO $160.11 $346.18 $245.52 $431.59

Is there a reason why you wouldn't go for a Guard or Reserve slot? Tricare Reserve Select is better than anything offered by UCH as far as coverage for the money.

 

[TXDanno]

T-1 Guy, make sure to get a Guard or Reserve job. Tricare Reserve Select will be a better deal for you in terms of health care costs. Plus being able to do mil drops. Plus the safety net of keeping the military connection in a very unstable business.

^^^THIS^^^

Then you can start to network with the SWA guys in your unit to find the LUV. Use the GI Bill to fund the Type, unless you can get hired into the 737. As C130 experienced, you already know how to enjoy killing kittens, an unofficial prereq for SWA.
It will all work out right.

With T-37 + T-38 time, me thinks you are approaching/at retirement. If not able to join ANG/USAFR, start running through your old recall lists and find your future SWA buddies. It is worth it.

 

[Andy]

^^^THIS^^^

Then you can start to network with the SWA guys in your unit to find the LUV. Use the GI Bill to fund the Type, unless you can get hired into the 737. As C130 experienced, you already know how to enjoy killing kittens, an unofficial prereq for SWA.
It will all work out right.

With T-37 + T-38 time, me thinks you are approaching/at retirement. If not able to join ANG/USAFR, start running through your old recall lists and find your future SWA buddies. It is worth it.

Crap. I missed the T-38 time.

T-1Guy, you're going to want to get Tricare for retirees. My wife's still active duty (I'm retired w/an AD retirement; thanks furloughs) so we're on Tricare. When she retires, we'll move over to Tricare for retirees.

LUV isn't for everyone. And advancement would be very slow at LUV.

 

[densoo]

Am I reading it right that newhires got DEN?

Not directly from training. They bid into it from elsewhere.