What would happen to SKYW if UAL died?

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[FONT=&quot]He's been known to be a little bit of a fruit loop, but in an interview in this (2009) January's Playboy, Sir Richard Branson discussed the possible future of United.

Interviewer: "...the (airline) industry is in utter disarray."

Branson: "...Some of the really big airlines that are left could topple. At least one may topple soon."

Interviewer: "Which one?"

Branson: "It doesn't take much imagination to guess. But at least one of the two giants is likely to go.....We've got brand new planes, unlike big airlines like United. Our cost basis is much better than theirs..."


This raises some interesting questions. If United does fail, how will that affect Skywest? Also, facing a large potential reduction in Skywest's need for pilots, how might that affect ASA?[/FONT]
 

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Given that ASA has pretty good scope to protect against aircraft transfers and a no-furlough clause, I'd say ASA would come out fine.
 

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I'll take it even further... what about Shuttle America(RAH), Colgan, TSA, GoJet, and Mesa... They will lose a lot of flying but someone's going to have to fill the void.
 

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[FONT=&quot]He's been known to be a little bit of a fruit loop, but in an interview in this (2009) January's Playboy, Sir Richard Branson discussed the possible future of United.

Interviewer: "...the (airline) industry is in utter disarray."

Branson: "...Some of the really big airlines that are left could topple. At least one may topple soon."

Interviewer: "Which one?"

Branson: "It doesn't take much imagination to guess. But at least one of the two giants is likely to go.....We've got brand new planes, unlike big airlines like United. Our cost basis is much better than theirs..."


This raises some interesting questions. If United does fail, how will that affect Skywest? Also, facing a large potential reduction in Skywest's need for pilots, how might that affect ASA?[/FONT]
I've never read a Playboy. I didn't even know they had words.
 

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[FONT=&quot]He's been known to be a little bit of a fruit loop, but in an interview in this (2009) January's Playboy, Sir Richard Branson discussed the possible future of United.

Interviewer: "...the (airline) industry is in utter disarray."

Branson: "...Some of the really big airlines that are left could topple. At least one may topple soon."

Interviewer: "Which one?"

Branson: "It doesn't take much imagination to guess. But at least one of the two giants is likely to go.....We've got brand new planes, unlike big airlines like United. Our cost basis is much better than theirs..."


This raises some interesting questions. If United does fail, how will that affect Skywest? Also, facing a large potential reduction in Skywest's need for pilots, how might that affect ASA?[/FONT]
This is him selling tickets for his airline. "We have brand new aircraft, United is going to fail" blah, blah, blah. Fly VA...NOT!

Well Sir Branson, I want to go from LAX to ORD, United has that route what about your airline? Huh, really. Couldn't get any gates in Chicago, don't want to go head to head with Southwest?

What about BRAND RECOGNITION? My first thought on airlines isn't Virgin America. But you have lower costs *pats Sir Branson on the back* job well done.

Go burgle some more turds, ya turd burglar!








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wouldn't be good. would go two ways. massive layoffs and downsizing or buying the domestic routes or a million other different routes.
 

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wouldn't be good. would go two ways. massive layoffs and downsizing or buying the domestic routes or a million other different routes.
Interesting you should say that. Jerry Atkin said about 3 years ago when asked that same thing about United. He said that Skywest had contingency plans with United to do just that. I'm not sure how that would be done; it's not like United could just hand Skywest planes and routes even at any price. Isn't there regulatory approvals and all? But on the other hand, if that all took months to accomplish, I guess that's not much time in the scheme of things for an airline.
 

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Could definitely go a little something like this:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard SkyWest Airlines flight 839 with non-stop service to Sydney, Australia...operated by SkyWest international partner carrier United Airlines."

Seriously...it would be a clusterfark...but I think, with as much as SKYW's survival depends on UAL, I don't think it would be too far out of the realm of possibility for SKYW to buy up a majority stake in UAUA.

Of course, none of us can predict how UAL would react to having competent management for once.
 

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Given that ASA has pretty good scope to protect against aircraft transfers and a no-furlough clause, I'd say ASA would come out fine.

That's my hope, anyway.

I don't see any massive growth 'opportunities' if UAL craters, however.
 

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Those seats would be flown by someone else. In the current state of the economy, I don't think the Imperial Federal Government would allow for that entity to go away.
 

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Given that ASA has pretty good scope to protect against aircraft transfers and a no-furlough clause, I'd say ASA would come out fine.
It would be a major blow to our parent corporation....Therefor it would hurt us also....

How have all the scope sections and no furlough clauses helped the United boys?

I believe Jerry and the boys have a plan B and C....It may involve Skywest buying up United....If that happens...the scope "debate" will really heat up.....
 

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I don't believe United will fold anytime soon.... Probably the govt. would just bail them out as they have a few other larger, poorly-run airlines in the past.
-Too big to fail, etc.

-Pretty soon we are all going to be govt. employees-at least according to our tax bill.
 

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ASA's scope and air transfer clause is a dog with no teeth. Have you read that section? They can transfer aircraft up to a certain amount a year for years before one pilot from ASA needs to be moved to the skywest list.
 

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What would happen to Eagle if AA went out.... Horizon if Alaska..... Dumb question.....
 

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ASA's scope and air transfer clause is a dog with no teeth. Have you read that section? They can transfer aircraft up to a certain amount a year for years before one pilot from ASA needs to be moved to the skywest list.
Well, yes and no. They can transfer 4 aircraft in a rolling 12 month period but they can't furlough anybody hired before 11/20/07. It would take 35 years to transfer all the airplanes at that rate!
 

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I'm sure Ill get bashed for this but I bet Jerry and the SKW mgmnt team could turn around and make UAL profitable.
 

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When UAL was approaching bankruptcy, I suggested to the CFO that SKYW simply buy them. He smiled at the whimsical suggestion and said they actually had looked at it but the cash flow was not something that would be sustainable. Shortly after, UAL entered bankruptcy.
 
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