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What will Republic do with their big C-Series CS300 Order?

Plug

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blah blah blah same old Jenny shet, copy/paste

Actually, what GL pasted is quite true. UAL is already bumping up against the block hour limit. That limit tightens as time goes on and they replace the 50 seaters. The overall outsourced UAX operation will decrease by roughly 200 airframes in the next few years while mainline continues to grow (I love seeing those blanked out XJT tails parked on the ramp in IAH). At UAL we are adding 20 more 737 NG's by summer '15, keeping more LUAL 752's and 763's, and are actively pursuing either the Ejet or Cseries for mainline service. We need to hire at least 1300 pilots in the next 18 months (I believe DAL and AA are in the same boat). Scope limits aren't the real problem, pillaging the regionals to fill mainline seats is becoming the problem. The Military hiring pool is starting to dry up so now we are hiring mostly from the regionals. It wouldn't surprise me to see flying that could be outsourced come back to the mainline in the next 5 years.

So you may not like GL but the UA, DL, and AA/US pilots are standing together on this issue.
 

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Hope so, many of us are counting on it. As far as Jenni, she's really just a weirdo sitting in a cubicle out in Utah land, and a putz. ��
 

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Actually, what GL pasted is quite true. UAL is already bumping up against the block hour limit. That limit tightens as time goes on and they replace the 50 seaters. The overall outsourced UAX operation will decrease by roughly 200 airframes in the next few years while mainline continues to grow (I love seeing those blanked out XJT tails parked on the ramp in IAH). At UAL we are adding 20 more 737 NG's by summer '15, keeping more LUAL 752's and 763's, and are actively pursuing either the Ejet or Cseries for mainline service. We need to hire at least 1300 pilots in the next 18 months (I believe DAL and AA are in the same boat). Scope limits aren't the real problem, pillaging the regionals to fill mainline seats is becoming the problem. The Military hiring pool is starting to dry up so now we are hiring mostly from the regionals. It wouldn't surprise me to see flying that could be outsourced come back to the mainline in the next 5 years.

So you may not like GL but the UA, DL, and AA/US pilots are standing together on this issue.


Very true. DL is hiring 165 this month because there are 5 Mondays (33 in each class). I wouldn't doubt the Regional airlines will be struggling big time in a year or two, and I bet the legacies will target LCC pilots (especially if they directly compete with them, like UAL targeting F9 pilots) and also the Regionals of OTHER legacies. (They may not want to take pilots from their own feed, just a guess). It's gonna get interesting.


And Freebrd is very frustrated, and I think we all understand that. Hopefully he improves his situation.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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Very true. DL is hiring 165 this month because there are 5 Mondays (33 in each class). I wouldn't doubt the Regional airlines will be struggling big time in a year or two, and I bet the legacies will target LCC pilots (especially if they directly compete with them, like UAL targeting F9 pilots) and also the Regionals of OTHER legacies. (They may not want to take pilots from their own feed, just a guess). It's gonna get interesting.


And Freebrd is very frustrated, and I think we all understand that. Hopefully he improves his situation.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Damn that's a lot of hiring, good on ya! Our management is still trying to play catch up as we are just now going through base re-balancing. SEA is closing in March '15, DEN will be reduced to a mostly 737 base, and all other bases will continue to grow. Guess we'll always be 2 years behind you :laugh:

It wouldn't surprise me if we ink a deal with an ALPA regional that is currently flying the Ejet as a flow partner, especially if we get an EMB airplane.
 

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Again, you never add anything of substance. Would you care to give your own opinion, backed up with some facts? You can't, you don't know how. DL's scope clause is clear, nothing over 76 seats, and that includes anything with a specific weight. (Can't fly a plane designed with more than 76 seats and only put 76 seats on them). There is also the part about any DCI carrier adding any larger plane, loses the DCI contract. Sooooooooo, that would include Republic, and their only exception was the "Frontier exception" when they owned them, which they don't now.

Oil is dropping, meaning it's tougher for management to negotiate any concessions from employees. IOWs, it ain't gonna happen.

So genius, give us your opinion on what may happen with those Republic CS100s. Do it, I can't wait.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude, the crj 900 was designed for more than 76 seats,
It's called a 90 seater for a reason
 

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Dude, the crj 900 was designed for more than 76 seats,
It's called a 90 seater for a reason

Thanks Dude! Not all planes are configured to max capacity without "first class", well, except your Corndog cattle cars. Now I understand your confusion.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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88 717's, 88 717's, 88 717's, General has to repeat that constantly. It is part of the rationalization process. He knows what he did (scope relaxation) is wrong and desperately needs a excuse to justify his actions.
 

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88 717's, 88 717's, 88 717's, General has to repeat that constantly. It is part of the rationalization process. He knows what he did (scope relaxation) is wrong and desperately needs a excuse to justify his actions.

Uhhhhhh, I'm happy that DL mainline pilots are taking routes back via those 717s. That's a good thing for everyone, unless you're an unhireable RJ pilot. Those types done want to hear what's going on, and don't want to start over and lose their left seat. Well, things are a changing, and hopefully many Regional pilots will understand what is going on and send in their apps NOW, instead of waiting too long and finally getting hired at the end of the hiring wave. Good luck to you.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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I am happy about bringing it back. I am not impressed with continuing to screw others by increasing outsourcing. I actually agree with you. It is time to move to main line. If you can.
 

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I am curious to know what would happen to legacy carrier game plans if skyw were to merge lists, provided a more career centric environment and dramatically "dry up" the available talent pool they are assuming will fall all over themselves to make the transition.
 
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Mainlines are in total control, don't doubt that. SKYW Inc, or any other Regional, would not be successful without mainline's blessing. All mainline has to do is create another Endeavor, buy more 717 size aircraft (do it majors!!!), or just take back ALL their flying. Hopefully it's the latter two.
 

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Mainlines are in total control, don't doubt that. SKYW Inc, or any other Regional, would not be successful without mainline's blessing. All mainline has to do is create another Endeavor, buy more 717 size aircraft (do it majors!!!), or just take back ALL their flying. Hopefully it's the latter two.


Seeing that they are, and plan on almost exclusively getting pilots from the FFD side of the industry, "total control" seems a bit presumptuous. Again where would they get the pilots to fly at their "new" Endeavor? There are 20673 total pilots from all FFD airlines (airlinepilotcentral.com). A combine SKYW Inc would represent 8008 pilots or just under 40% of the total pilot pool, leaving 12665 to be spread across the big 3. Why would it be such a stretch to say that INC. in pursuit of no other reason than a fiduciary responsibility to their share holders, goes rogue in an attempt to siphon domestic capacity from the legacies. Not able to staff their lighter gauge equipment the dinosaurs would be forced to concede capacity and/or collapse in on themselves like a dying star. Or perhaps a more likely scenario, how about DAL, UAL or AMR buying SKY Inc. (for not much more reason than acquiring pilots) more than likely causing someone to be left standing when the music stops.
 

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A possibility for sure in regards to buying SkyWest Inc. Maybe more programs like Delta's WMU sponsoring future pilots but open to more than minorities, or even like the one Luftansa (sp) has out west. That would give them quite a bit of quality control over the training program. Offering these paid programs will attract many potential applicants, but more than likely not enough. No doubt they'll be robbing the regionals of their pilots (hopefully me). Appears that DAL is already addressing the shortage with the 717s replacing RJ routes.
 

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Yeah I definitely think they are trying to address the shortage. I am just curious with the methods they will employ to shore up the problem. I am more interested though in how long it will be before one of them comes to the realization that they can seed competitive advantage by acquiring pilots via a large regional acquisition (i.e. SKYW). In order to be effective though, it would have to be an acquisition that included a seniority number on the legacy list in order to retain enough of the pilots to ensure the the effectiveness of the tactic (read: don't repeat the Endeavour fail)
 

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Yeah it does make you wonder what these COOs are thinking and when they'll come to the realization that there will be a shortage in the near future, and do something about it. As you mentioned DAL is screwing up the Endeavor experiment. Then there's AAG apparently preparing to slam Eagle (Envoy) and perhaps closing shop there (CMR II?) when they're another wholly owned AAG could just roll in with seniority numbers and the same benefits mainline gets. But that won't happen as the majors are addicted to cheaper lift that still doing at least 45% of domestic flying to include Canada, Mexico, and the Islands. As we all know airlines typically follow others lead, so it'll be interesting to see if the other two follow DAL and replace RJs with 717 type airframes. They do like the 70-76 seaters though, and those planes make sense in a lot of markets.
 
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