What will Republic do with their big C-Series CS300 Order?

[Freebrd]

History Jenni, history! Y'all have caved numerous times on scope limits for mo money. Hell years ago you even allowed us (ASA) to operate I think up to 20 BAE 146s. They were all 88 seats and one of them even had 100 seats! You create these lines in the sand like our President then you move the line, again and again. Seriously I do hope you don't this time though, I really do. But rest assured that RA and regional CEOs are maneuvering for more relaxation of scope limits. AA is trying now.

 

[General Lee]

History Jenni, history! Y'all have caved numerous times on scope limits for mo money. Hell years ago you even allowed us (ASA) to operate I think up to 20 BAE 146s. They were all 88 seats and one of them even had 100 seats! You create these lines in the sand like our President then you move the line, again and again. Seriously I do hope you don't this time though, I really do. But rest assured that RA and regional CEOs are maneuvering for more relaxation of scope limits. AA is trying now.

Really? The last time scope was increased was in BK court, from 70 to 76 seats. No increases in 2 contracts since. (Joint contract and the latest 2 1/2 years ago). There have been pay increases associated with both.

The number of 76 seaters was increased during the last one, but that also included parking 200 plus 50 seaters, and the 76 seaters could only come at the same rate as 717s, and fewer at that. The BAe 146s were gone around 9-11 or earlier. Why didn't you bring up ASA Dash-7s for reference too?

The APA just told Parker at AA to pound sand when it comes to scope. And concessions are hard to get when your airline makes $4 billion in profits for the year. History is important, but recent history is more relevant.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

You all think inside the box too much. Republic, like SkyWest, has realized the end is near for FFD/Cost+ agreements, and are positioning themselves to be aircraft leasing companies. do you really think SkyWest plans to fly the 600 or so big RJs it has on order?

Also, even if US mainline carriers don't want to fly them, they will be a big hit overseas. I could see Garuda snapping up a whole bunch of them to fit nicely between their CRJ 1000s and 737s.

 

[General Lee]

You all think inside the box too much. Republic, like SkyWest, has realized the end is near for FFD/Cost+ agreements, and are positioning themselves to be aircraft leasing companies. do you really think SkyWest plans to fly the 600 or so big RJs it has on order?

Also, even if US mainline carriers don't want to fly them, they will be a big hit overseas. I could see Garuda snapping up a whole bunch of them to fit nicely between their CRJ 1000s and 737s.

You probably are correct. I don't see them flying those planes, scope clauses won't allow it and due to higher profits it's very doubtful that mainline pilots will have to give any scope concessions. So, maybe those airlines ordered the planes and options to later sell them for a slight profit to someone else.

Good thinking Box Office.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Twisted Mind]

Main line pilots don't have to give up scope, but they will if the price is right.

 

[jonjuan]

Main line pilots don't have to give up scope, but they will if the price is right.

Bingo......

 

[Jon Rivoli]

What percentage of Delta pax connect on a SKYW flight every day? Twenty? Twenty five?

Comair"s strike cost Delta $1 BILLION per month and that was only KCVG. The loss of SKYW feed would put Delta in BK in a month.

'Mr. Anderson, we find the terms you offer unacceptable. We are converting our options to E195's and will be flying our own schedule. We own the gates in SLC and ATL. Would you like to code share or go bankrupt? I'm sure your unions will understand.'

BTW, Alaska is willing to play ball. How's SEA working out for you?

BYE BYE!!!

 

[General Lee]

What percentage of Delta pax connect on a SKYW flight every day? Twenty? Twenty five?

Comair"s strike cost Delta $1 BILLION per month and that was only KCVG. The loss of SKYW feed would put Delta in BK in a month.

'Mr. Anderson, we find the terms you offer unacceptable. We are converting our options to E195's and will be flying our own schedule. We own the gates in SLC and ATL. Would you like to code share or go bankrupt? I'm sure your unions will understand.'

BTW, Alaska is willing to play ball. How's SEA working out for you?

BYE BYE!!!

Uhhhhhh, not really. Comair's strike cost DL $1 billion TOTAL, not per month. There are other feed opportunities, or just using excess mainline planes. 717s could be used to add seats if needed. This year it appears there could be about $4 billion in profits. DL debt has been paid down to roughly $5-6 billion, down from $18 billion. During the BK, there were too many Major airlines, which is not the case anymore. And, there weren't extra bag and change fees that really add a lot to the profits. Sooooooo, I think you may be incorrect. And SEA is doing great, it will grow from 71 daily flights now to 170 daily by 2017. Compass may open a base up there too.

The Comair strike really taught the legacies a lot, like not allowing one Regional operator to operate all of the feed at one hub. Also, since then there has been Consolidation, and the one way feed from Montana to SLC for example, now has other routings, like through MSP. Stranded pax would simply be rerouted through other, unaffected hubs. Both Endeavor and Compass could assist in MSP too, where you also have a presence. And, with your own dwindling profits, a prolonged strike might not help your own case.

Jon, you're starting to sound a little crazy. Why bring up SEA again? DL needs feed to help fill up INTL flights at the hub. Most of the current DL city pairs in Asia will likely get nonstops from SEA, and that means lots of connections. AK is fairly full, so DL will do it themselves. Big expansion plans, and plenty of profits to pay for it. Have a great day Jon.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Twisted Mind]

Delta is better protected for sure. A stoppage by Skywest would still severely hurt operations. Endeavor will be little help. Endeavor is parking/giving away aircraft to manage the staffing situation there. Delta's pilot training is running at near capacity so a quick 717 fix might not be a solution either.

Does any one remember GL babbling on incoherently about taking back scope? I do. then the contract came out and he couldn't stop gushing about how great it was. The contract gave up scope for large RJ's. Expect more of the same in 2015.

 

[Indy319FA]

Right now anything over 76 seats is a bust for most scope clauses, and higher profits by the legacies mean fewer givebacks by the pilots. The APA already told Parker to shove it when it comes to scope. If Republic were to fly anything over 76 seats for anyone else, they would lose all DL Connection flying. They had a "Frontier exception" when they owned them, but now it's gone. I hear these planes are on the expensive side, and until those prices go down, I don't see many in the US.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Not if they are on the Republic Certificate. Those restrictions only apply to the Chautauqua and Shuttle America certificates. Bedford is a master of the multiple certificate game to get around scope clauses.