What to log?

[DrewBlows]

I am an FNG at a regional airline and don't know what I can and can't log as SIC. I don't have a FAR/AIM handy. Should I log actual on my Captain's legs? How about his/her approaches (seems like I remember something about being the sole manipulator of the controls to log an approach? Any other tips on logging would be helpful (what kinds of things will future employers be interestede in...Turbine, Jet, ect.).

 

[English]

What is an FNG?

 

[blzr]

A Fukcing new guy...

Log ALL of it. His leg and yours. you are an essential crew member. Even if you are just slinging the gear handle, you log it all as SIC

 

[flyer172r]

I believe that if it's not your leg, you can't log the actual or the approaches. Could be mistaken though.

 

[deez_nutz2000]

You can log all the time, all the IMC, night, you just can't log PIC, or any landing or approach in which you did not fly yourself.

 

[DrewBlows]

Thanks.

 

[CHQ-FO]

Don't get too worked up logging every minute of instrument time and every approach flown. 10% of total time is the norm.

 

[Rudder120]

Don't be fooled

You cannot log the IMC if you aren't flying the bird. You'll get hammered in a future interview if you do. The regs state "sole manipulator of the controls". Just because you're required crew doesn't mean your manipulating the flight controls. Besides, if your at an airline now, you'll get plenty of IMC without logging the captain's legs. Trust me it will add up quick.

The FARS are online now so just open a new browser and run a search.

 

[mike1mc]

You can log all the time, all the IMC, night, you just can't log PIC, or any landing or approach in which you did not fly yourself.

I was under the impression that you could not log IMC for a leg unless your are the PF. Can someone point me in the right direction.

 

[Rudder120]

I can't find it in the FARs. Thus, I could be incorrect, and have to retract my last statement. But, you will catch hell in an interview.
What I did find was under 61.61.
"(g) Logging instrument flight time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions."

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

You cannot log the IMC if you aren't flying the bird. You'll get hammered in a future interview if you do. The regs state "sole manipulator of the controls". Just because you're required crew doesn't mean your manipulating the flight controls.

The FARS are online now so just open a new browser and run a search.

"Instrument" is a condition of flight. The same as "night", as defined in Part 1. The Part 61 reference you quoted in your other post above specifically refers to "operating" the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated flight conditons. It DOES NOT say "sole manipulator" of the controls. So, if you are a required crewmember, then you are "operating" the aircraft, and therefore can log instrument (and night and any other "condition of flight") as defined in Part 1 whether you are the PF or the PNF. You will not get "hammered" in any interview. That is, not by any interviewer that knows the definition of flight conditions. Of course, if you think "operating" the aircraft is the same as "sole manipulator of the controls", even though these specific terms are used when applicable, then perhaps you will "hammer" someone needlessly, and only show your ignorance of the regs. Don't believe me? Then take your own advice, and look it up. The regs are online, like you said.

Now, logging approaches is different.

 

[Smoked Toilet]

I agree with doosh above. Even though you may only be putting the gear up, you are doing it in the clouds; which could of course, be a little trickier than in vmc. log it.

same goes for flaps..

 

[trip]

F/O's log only the leg actual and approach they fly. CP's log it all if they want.

I would post this question over on Docs FAR forum, you will get a better answer.

Let us know what you find out?

http://www.propilot.com/doc/bbs/index.html

 

[blzr]

BS! Log it ALL. That plane wouldn't fly without you in the seat. If it was a Barron, that's a totally different story. You can log ALL the SIC you want whether you are actually flying or not. Just don't log jumpseat time or Dead heads.

 

[DrewBlows]

I agree with doosh above. Even though you may only be putting the gear up, you are doing it in the clouds; which could of course, be a little trickier than in vmc. log it.

same goes for flaps..

So I should log every time I actuate the flaps? What about when I forget to put them up? How about when I talk on the Radio?

I posted the question on Doc's page, we'll see what reply I get.