What Rating after Instrument - COM/ME?

[greyhound]

In my humble opinion,

I think it is better to obtain the ME rating “BEFORE” you have the 250 hours for a comm. ticket.
That is of course if you want to go the Part 61 route. Since you need to accumulate 250 hours anyway,
Might as well use the training for the ME rating “TOWARDS” the 250 hours.
Imagine you are at 250 hours with your SE comm. You will have to add another 20 hours or so just to add a Multi-rating to your Comm. Again, why not use those hours to get to 250? Save yourself some money.
This is how I went about it; 1) Private 2) 50 hrs x-country. 3) Instrument rating 4) ME private 5) Comm. Multi. Another advantage in obtaining your ME private first, is to be able to build multi-Pic time that is required for a Multi-comm. (I think you need 10 hrs of PIC in a multi). If you don’t have your multi private, you can’t claim PIC, so you have to have it first.
You can always add a single-engine rating to your multi- commercial afterward, maybe just the 3-5hours with an instructor in preparation for the checkride. You will meet most of the aeronautical experience for the SE rating by that time too. So at about 260 hours you can begin your CFI training.
But as always co-ordinate with your instructor, you never know how much he/she wants to milk you,
Check out the requirements up yourself in the regs. Just in case you have to defend yourself when your school says you have to do something, and it really isn’t necessary. Good luck!

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Thanks for the great advice greyhound!

Appreciate it!

 

[sjflyer]

What to do first

The first thing that I would do and I wish that someone had told me is 5 min after you take your instrument written take the CFII written. They are from the same database.

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Really? I only have the Kings Instrument course, but how would the CFII be clasified?

I'll definately look into that!

-Dmitry

 

[bobbysamd]

What to do third

The first thing that I would do and I wish that someone had told me is 5 min after you take your instrument written take the CFII written. They are from the same database.

And five minutes after you take the FII written take the IGI written. You'll be taking the FOI written anyway for your CFI, so taking it and the IGI to FSDO gives you an Instrument Ground Instructor certificate.

By the way, ground instructor certificates do not expire. If you ever have a certificate and/or medical problem you can use your ground instructor certificate to teach ground school or sim.

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Wow thanks!

So much healthy info!

So would you guys give me some advice on how to overcome each step with the writtens, gs's, etc?

Like I have been saying, I am about 1/3 through the Kings Inst Course, now what would should I do to learn the CFII and IGI bs basics for the written?
Now what is an FOI, not clicking.

Mind telling what the major differences are between the INST, CFII, and IGI written are?
I wan't to be able to get them all done with one shot - so lots of studying will have to take place.
Its basically 3 birds with one stone!

Thanks fellas!

 

[bobbysamd]

IGI written

Mind telling what the major differences are between the INST, CFII, and IGI written are?

They're really about the same. I believe the CFI-I and IGI might have 80 questions, as compared to 60 for the instrument written. That may have changed.

All three writtens are drawn from the same question bank. That's why you should consider taking all three at once, if not within days of each other.

The FOI is the Fundamentals of Instructing written. That exam is required for any instructor certficate. The reference source is the Aviation Instructor's Handbook. In my $0.02 opinion, the FOI is among the most important parts of the course because you gain insight in how people learn and how to teach.

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Re: IGI written

They're really about the same. I believe the CFI-I and IGI might have 80 questions, as compared to 60 for the instrument written. That may have changed.

All three writtens are drawn from the same question bank. That's why you should consider taking all three at once, if not within days of each other.

The FOI is the Fundamentals of Instructing written. That exam is required for any instructor certficate. The reference source is the Aviation Instructor's Handbook. In my $0.02 opinion, the FOI is among the most important parts of the course because you gain insight in how people learn and how to teach.

Thanks!
But is there a seperate ground school for teh CFII and IGI, I believe there is for the CFII, I think I may have some video tapes from Kings.
But do you recommend taking the FOI also at the same time? Does it have much to do with the Instrument course, or is that totally different?

 

[bobbysamd]

FOI

The FOI relates only to aviation to the extent that it pertains to aviation instructors. It is really more about educational psychology. As I wrote above, absorbing the principles of the FOI will really help you as an instructor. I consider the FOI to be extremely important because its principles really work. You can take that exam anytime.

 

[RFtech]

will ground certificates carry any weight when you go for your CFI oral?

 

[bobbysamd]

AGI-IGI

will ground certificates carry any weight when you go for your CFI oral?

If you're asking if you get any credit for them during the oral, the answer is "no." But don't discount their value.

Ground instructor certificates look good on a resume and just might help you get a job one day. I'm sure my ground instructor certificates helped me get my job at Mesa. Along with flight instructing I taught Commercial ground while I was with MAPD.

I strongly recommend that aspiring CFIs get their ground instructor certificates. Very little additional brain damage is required because of the writtens' similarity. You have to take the FOI anyway for CFI. Moreover, ground instructor certificates are required for Gold Seal CFI, which definitely looks keen on a resume.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Given the current state of the industry, perhaps CPA, MBA, MD or something like that.

 

[RFtech]

bobby,

thanks again for the info.

i am definetly going to get them.

 

[SammyG]

Wow..I just found this thread, and it may apply to me too. I'm about to start my instrument training. Guess I should re-evaluate and see if it's feasible for my to get private-multi first.

Interesting post...thanks guys!

 

[Alaskaairlines]

SammyG,

its a very indept thread - Thanks to all the great members on this forum, who are willing to give advise to a new pilot.