This is from a local discussion board near Atlanta. These people make my blood boil. Do they think this is a socialist country where no one deserves to make more than them?
General Discussion - Delta Airlines...Do or Die?
http://acx.prospero.com/dir-app/icon.aspx?realmId=0&iconTypeId=4&iconName=emailSubscribe From: Maines4 7:41 am To: ALL (1 of 12) 1610.1 Ok, Lets talk Delta again.....They are in court today and it is do or die for the airline to survive. I'll go ahead and put this one out there, meaning my opinion since thats what this site is all about. I for one on standing behind the airlines. I think the piolots are being very greedy. They have helped drain the airlines I think. They have been making very unreasonalble salaries for way too long. I know they are in the drivers seat, but please when it comes to saving the airlines, give up some more. Heck they can probably still afford to keep there mansions! I know too many people suffering that are not piolots and have lost their homes and way more than the piolots stand to loose by taking another pay cut. Anyway, I can imagine it must be hard, but it doesnt need to be hardest on the other employees that don't fly the planes. I think it fair that everyone sacrifice for a common cause to SAVE THE COMPANY! Thank for listening.
AM
From: 11CC 10:59 am To: Maines4 unread (2 of 12) 1610.2 in reply to 1610.1 What should a pilot make then, AM? What would you think to be a "reasonable" salarie? If they make so much money and their lives are so great living in mansions, then why don't you become an airline pilot since you seem so jealous. You obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about. How much more should they give up? They have already given up 30% of their pay and some work rules. Now, they are being asked for another 20% pay cut. In case you have trouble with math, that's a total pay cut of 50%. What if your employer came to you and said he needed to take 50% of your pay and change the work rules for the worse. Not to mention the pensions they have been paying into their whole careers at Delta will be taken away. Figure that into the whole pay cut issue and that probably comes to near 70%. The pilots stand to lose a whole lot more than anyone else in this. Here's why. To an airline pilot, seniority is everything. You cannot advance to captain, or hold a set schedule until you have been their long enough, and have had enough pilots ahead of you retire or leave for medical reasons. It can take 5 or more years to hold a schedule and it can take 10 or 15 years to make captain. If you leave and go to another airline, guess what, you start all over. Unlike any other profession, your experience does not transfer to other companies. The real blame here is the incompetent management team at Delta. Before 9-11, Delta had the best balance sheet of any airline. Now look at them.
From: BOX (LeeBox1) 11:39 am To: 11CC (3 of 12) 1610.3 in reply to 1610.2 I think THEY should be in line with the rest of the industry...... the proposed pay cuts would put the pilot group right in the MIDDLE of the payscale amoung major airlines.
ALL Delta employees have taken cuts, yet, the pilots INSIST that everyone else take cuts to preserve their pay / lifestyle........
and FYI, all the other employee group pay cuts add up to much more than the company originally published, take a look, we make less than Airtran or JetBlue.
Perhaps you should look at your own ALPA site, you will see DAL pilots are at or near the top of the WORLD in pay.
If you look past the ALPA rhetoric, you will see that DAL has the HIGHEST crew block hour cost of any airline........ you should also note that we have the LOWEST MTC total block hour cost.
Look past the ALPA pep rally, if you fail to concede, or if you strike, or sick out in mass, WE all loose....
How about thinking about someone other than yourselves for a change!!!
I am in no way defending MGT, past or present, the Golden parachutes were shameful, of course all of the pilots that bailed out with a "silver" parachute is no less shameful.
And, don't you think that the 1000 of pilots on the streets right now would LOVE to cross the ALPA picket lines?????
From: MBW 12:30 pm To: ALL (4 of 12) 1610.4 in reply to 1610.1 AGREED! What do the Pilots stand to gain by striking? Think the other airlines are going to be ready to hire a pilot that was involved in the final straw that killed the airline they previously worked for??? NOT! I understand that Delta has been mis-managed and maybe there are many that make a whole lot of money. But there are MORE middle class families whose lives will be really in a shambles if the pilots (who make double and triple salary and work 1/3 the hours) kill Delta.
My Mom always said,"be careful not to cut off your nose to spite your face."
From: 11CC 12:44 pm To: BOX (LeeBox1) (5 of 12) 1610.5 in reply to 1610.3 Those "silver" parachutes were packed by the pilots. That is their retirement money that they negotiated and contributed to. Why don't you look at airlinepilotpay.com and see what delta pilots are paid currently and compare that to other companies on similar equipment. You'll find that it's right in line with what an Airtran pilot is making and less than Southwest on similar equipment. Take an additional 20% from that and see where that puts them. Remember most airlines pay pilots based on the number of lives they are responsible for. The more passengers a plane holds, the more pay usually.
General Discussion - Delta Airlines...Do or Die?
http://acx.prospero.com/dir-app/icon.aspx?realmId=0&iconTypeId=4&iconName=emailSubscribe From: Maines4 7:41 am To: ALL (1 of 12) 1610.1 Ok, Lets talk Delta again.....They are in court today and it is do or die for the airline to survive. I'll go ahead and put this one out there, meaning my opinion since thats what this site is all about. I for one on standing behind the airlines. I think the piolots are being very greedy. They have helped drain the airlines I think. They have been making very unreasonalble salaries for way too long. I know they are in the drivers seat, but please when it comes to saving the airlines, give up some more. Heck they can probably still afford to keep there mansions! I know too many people suffering that are not piolots and have lost their homes and way more than the piolots stand to loose by taking another pay cut. Anyway, I can imagine it must be hard, but it doesnt need to be hardest on the other employees that don't fly the planes. I think it fair that everyone sacrifice for a common cause to SAVE THE COMPANY! Thank for listening.
AM
From: 11CC 10:59 am To: Maines4 unread (2 of 12) 1610.2 in reply to 1610.1 What should a pilot make then, AM? What would you think to be a "reasonable" salarie? If they make so much money and their lives are so great living in mansions, then why don't you become an airline pilot since you seem so jealous. You obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about. How much more should they give up? They have already given up 30% of their pay and some work rules. Now, they are being asked for another 20% pay cut. In case you have trouble with math, that's a total pay cut of 50%. What if your employer came to you and said he needed to take 50% of your pay and change the work rules for the worse. Not to mention the pensions they have been paying into their whole careers at Delta will be taken away. Figure that into the whole pay cut issue and that probably comes to near 70%. The pilots stand to lose a whole lot more than anyone else in this. Here's why. To an airline pilot, seniority is everything. You cannot advance to captain, or hold a set schedule until you have been their long enough, and have had enough pilots ahead of you retire or leave for medical reasons. It can take 5 or more years to hold a schedule and it can take 10 or 15 years to make captain. If you leave and go to another airline, guess what, you start all over. Unlike any other profession, your experience does not transfer to other companies. The real blame here is the incompetent management team at Delta. Before 9-11, Delta had the best balance sheet of any airline. Now look at them.
From: BOX (LeeBox1) 11:39 am To: 11CC (3 of 12) 1610.3 in reply to 1610.2 I think THEY should be in line with the rest of the industry...... the proposed pay cuts would put the pilot group right in the MIDDLE of the payscale amoung major airlines.
ALL Delta employees have taken cuts, yet, the pilots INSIST that everyone else take cuts to preserve their pay / lifestyle........
and FYI, all the other employee group pay cuts add up to much more than the company originally published, take a look, we make less than Airtran or JetBlue.
Perhaps you should look at your own ALPA site, you will see DAL pilots are at or near the top of the WORLD in pay.
If you look past the ALPA rhetoric, you will see that DAL has the HIGHEST crew block hour cost of any airline........ you should also note that we have the LOWEST MTC total block hour cost.
Look past the ALPA pep rally, if you fail to concede, or if you strike, or sick out in mass, WE all loose....
How about thinking about someone other than yourselves for a change!!!
I am in no way defending MGT, past or present, the Golden parachutes were shameful, of course all of the pilots that bailed out with a "silver" parachute is no less shameful.
And, don't you think that the 1000 of pilots on the streets right now would LOVE to cross the ALPA picket lines?????
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From: MBW 12:30 pm To: ALL (4 of 12) 1610.4 in reply to 1610.1 AGREED! What do the Pilots stand to gain by striking? Think the other airlines are going to be ready to hire a pilot that was involved in the final straw that killed the airline they previously worked for??? NOT! I understand that Delta has been mis-managed and maybe there are many that make a whole lot of money. But there are MORE middle class families whose lives will be really in a shambles if the pilots (who make double and triple salary and work 1/3 the hours) kill Delta.
My Mom always said,"be careful not to cut off your nose to spite your face."
From: 11CC 12:44 pm To: BOX (LeeBox1) (5 of 12) 1610.5 in reply to 1610.3 Those "silver" parachutes were packed by the pilots. That is their retirement money that they negotiated and contributed to. Why don't you look at airlinepilotpay.com and see what delta pilots are paid currently and compare that to other companies on similar equipment. You'll find that it's right in line with what an Airtran pilot is making and less than Southwest on similar equipment. Take an additional 20% from that and see where that puts them. Remember most airlines pay pilots based on the number of lives they are responsible for. The more passengers a plane holds, the more pay usually.
. I say worthless because that is exactly how they think of us.
