What is your company's parking brake procedure?

[HockleyPilot]

We at SKW are get shat on hard by UAL for dropping the parking brake immediately after the door close.

We are being audited by a nerd with a clipboard and being chatized for releasing the brake before the ground crew is in position.

We are sitting 5-10 minutes at the gate with no pay, or deicing with no pay because UAL has deemed taxi times are too long.

What is everyone else's procedure and are you having to do this if you work at anything UAL retared, um I mean related?

 

[ultrarunner]

We at SKW are get shat on hard by UAL for dropping the parking brake immediately after the door close....

Is this the procedure in your FOM? If so, I sure wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

MUCH bigger issues to worry about.

 

[HockleyPilot]

Respectfully, right now there isn't a bigger issue than my pay being cut 5-10 minutes (or more) per leg or not getting paid while deicing.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Same thing happend to us on the Saab in the winter. We were told the door couldn't be closed until final load numbers were transmitted to the gate. So we would be ready but the ramp is still throwing bags past departure.... now that's a late out flight where before it was still an ontime flight but they had to pay us the extra 5-10 minutes. (which everything was so overblocked it usually didn't matter) I found it comical to see the D0 numbers after that started getting enforced.

 

[DoinTime]

We at SKW are get shat on hard by UAL for dropping the parking brake immediately after the door close.

We are being audited by a nerd with a clipboard and being chatized for releasing the brake before the ground crew is in position.

We are sitting 5-10 minutes at the gate with no pay, or deicing with no pay because UAL has deemed taxi times are too long.

What is everyone else's procedure and are you having to do this if you work at anything UAL retared, um I mean related?

The DOT and the FAA both define your "out" time as the time the aircraft LEAVES the gate. Not just door closed and brake off but actually leaving the gate. If you are blocking out prior to the cargo door being closed or while the ground crew contemplates pushing you then you are defrauding the system. You are manipulating federal data and you are disguising operational problems that should be getting fixed.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

The DOT and the FAA both define your "out" time as the time the aircraft LEAVES the gate. Not just door closed and brake off but actually leaving the gate. If you are blocking out prior to the cargo door being closed or while the ground crew contemplates pushing you then you are defrauding the system. You are manipulating federal data and you are disguising operational problems that should be getting fixed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "getting fixed..."

Oh man that was f'n good man!

 

[Hovernut]

Good thing my company's too cheap to put ACARS in our airplanes!

 

[HockleyPilot]

Duplicate

 

[HockleyPilot]

The DOT and the FAA both define your "out" time as the time the aircraft LEAVES the gate. Not just door closed and brake off but actually leaving the gate. If you are blocking out prior to the cargo door being closed or while the ground crew contemplates pushing you then you are defrauding the system. You are manipulating federal data and you are disguising operational problems that should be getting fixed.

Aren't you MR. LAW and ORDER and RENO 911 patrolman all wrapped into one. Just kidding. Kinda. Thank you for the History lesson. I asked about how everyone else does it. If you have done it that way, always, I am glad you are such an upstanding citizen.

Anyways, If 99% of people do it like you describe it, then I guess it is just a SKW problem. But I serious doubt it.

Just curious what's out there....

 

[pilot772]

We at SKW are get shat on hard by UAL for dropping the parking brake immediately after the door close.

We are being audited by a nerd with a clipboard and being chatized for releasing the brake before the ground crew is in position.

We are sitting 5-10 minutes at the gate with no pay, or deicing with no pay because UAL has deemed taxi times are too long.

What is everyone else's procedure and are you having to do this if you work at anything UAL retared, um I mean related?

Ual are a bunch of arrogant SOB's regarding this issue, what does your FOM say, at my previous company we had to do an antiskid test on the before start thus releasing the brake. Got yelled at by more than a few A$$ hole Ual rampers that thought they were kings of the world. Was on the phone with a chief pilot when one came up to yell at me in front of pax once, that ramper got a talking to afterwards by his boss and i got an apology.

Ual just can't make up their minds less taxi times but than every flight leaves the gate 20 minutes late sinking ship if you ask me and good riddance.

 

[flyslow24]

Gettin fixed?



Try fixing Philly!


Man I hope that was said with complete sarcasim

 

[rtmcfi]

Don't get mad, get even. Do not taxi faster than a brisk walk. Forgot to start the second engine till you were number 1 for takeoff? Oh well, just don't forget that warm up time limitation. Don't taxi untill all check lists are complete, as runway incursions are a hot button item. Make sure you brief the taxi route in a detailed fashion. This is just a small list of ways to get your paycheck back up.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

D-0

Why just last week, in order to save an ontime departure, I had the boarding door closed, released and reset the parking brake. Then I had the catering steps brought over and we boarded everybody through the galley/service door.

Part of my compensation is based on performance numbers.

 

[great cornholio]

Seems to me that most of the time the rampies are giving the "release brake" hand signal within seconds of getting the door closed anways....especially at the hubs. We were told that a fellow UAX company had been spying on us IE guys in jumpseats were telling of ACARS tricks and stuff like that. Since then UAL has been looking hard at this stuff and one thing that they are looking at is the time that the ACARS call it out and the "ACARS TRIGGER TIME" and they are having the guys with clipboards watch too. On a side note has anyone else noticed that the attitude of the rampies have gone downhill since the times started getting called this way.

 

[lowlycfi]

I used to love it on the F gates in ORD when the rampers would give the release brake signal and then they would all disappear for about 20 minutes.

 

[Poahi]

Not to defend UAL here, but the problem might be that the DOT may be looking at taxi times as a way of reducing flights due to congestion out of busy airports. (ORD) The traveling public is concerned about long ramp delays and UAL should be concerned that it might put more pressure on them to reduce flights. It's better to blame it on the ramp than cancel flights. They can fix ramp staffing issues, but they can't change the capacity of the airport.

As to the pay issue, UAL doesn't give a %&%$# about your contract with Skywest. They are playing the numbers game.

 

[Rominato]

I try...

It sucks sometimes, but I try my best to play by the rules. I was audited already, and nothing came of it because I do everything SOP. Fine. Whatever.

The one thing that I find really frustrating is that they want us to call for push BEFORE releasing the brake. However, when you call for push, the ramp or ground controllers assume you're ready for push and expect you to get moving. If you're not brakes released and loaded up on the tug, you're not ready to push, period.

I've been barked at a couple times after calling for push, then releasing the brake, while the ramp guys try to get the plane hooked up and ready to go. Meanwhile, the ramp control is wondering why we haven't moved yet. It's stupid.

Just as aggravating is that it affects the on time performance, and my quarterly bonus check is smaller.

I wil say that for those who do play by the rules, the MST times are much, much harder to meet.

 

[veneratio]

I don't do any checklists until I am on the clock!!!

 

[geardown]

Or it might be that UAL wants to dump some feed and they need a legitimate reason for an express carrier to default on their contract.

What was Delta's reason for nixing MESA?

Just something to consider. I have no idea what the contract states.

 

[CFI2766]

Or it might be that UAL wants to dump some feed and they need a legitimate reason for an express carrier to default on their contract.

What was Delta's reason for nixing MESA?

Just something to consider. I have no idea what the contract states.

There could be more truth here than any of the other ideas posted.

I've read/heard/observed speculation from many sources that doesn't paint an optimistic picture for UAL in the next few months.